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[Jensonb]

The Red Bull is easily the best of the non-diffuser cars right now. I think Newey's inventive pull-rod suspension amongst other things probably explains its competitiveness right now.

But one thing I'm keen to know is how much power did Renault catch up with Ferrari? Because if it's still not as powerful, Red Bull should keep a close eye on Toro Roso once Bourdais has got himself used to the new car.

If it IS as powerful that doesn't make sense, unless Bourdais and Buemi are poor drivers - because they still have the same chassis, yet are pretty much at opposite ends of the grid. Wtf?

I think it's a bit more complicated than that.

[EwanM]

The Red Bull is easily the best of the non-diffuser cars right now. I think Newey's inventive pull-rod suspension amongst other things probably explains its competitiveness right now.

But one thing I'm keen to know is how much power did Renault catch up with Ferrari? Because if it's still not as powerful, Red Bull should keep a close eye on Toro Roso once Bourdais has got himself used to the new car.

If it IS as powerful that doesn't make sense, unless Bourdais and Buemi are poor drivers - because they still have the same chassis, yet are pretty much at opposite ends of the grid. Wtf?

The Chassis will be primarily designed around the Renault Engine, so maybe that explains it?

[scotty]

The Red Bull is easily the best of the non-diffuser cars right now. I think Newey's inventive pull-rod suspension amongst other things probably explains its competitiveness right now.

But one thing I'm keen to know is how much power did Renault catch up with Ferrari? Because if it's still not as powerful, Red Bull should keep a close eye on Toro Roso once Bourdais has got himself used to the new car.

If it IS as powerful that doesn't make sense, unless Bourdais and Buemi are poor drivers - because they still have the same chassis, yet are pretty much at opposite ends of the grid. Wtf?

I think it's a bit more complicated than that.

If that is the case, enlighten me.

The Red Bull is easily the best of the non-diffuser cars right now. I think Newey's inventive pull-rod suspension amongst other things probably explains its competitiveness right now.

But one thing I'm keen to know is how much power did Renault catch up with Ferrari? Because if it's still not as powerful, Red Bull should keep a close eye on Toro Roso once Bourdais has got himself used to the new car.

If it IS as powerful that doesn't make sense, unless Bourdais and Buemi are poor drivers - because they still have the same chassis, yet are pretty much at opposite ends of the grid. Wtf?

The Chassis will be primarily designed around the Renault Engine, so maybe that explains it?

Maybe, but it was the same last season too...

[Jensonb]

The Red Bull is easily the best of the non-diffuser cars right now. I think Newey's inventive pull-rod suspension amongst other things probably explains its competitiveness right now.

But one thing I'm keen to know is how much power did Renault catch up with Ferrari? Because if it's still not as powerful, Red Bull should keep a close eye on Toro Roso once Bourdais has got himself used to the new car.

If it IS as powerful that doesn't make sense, unless Bourdais and Buemi are poor drivers - because they still have the same chassis, yet are pretty much at opposite ends of the grid. Wtf?

I think it's a bit more complicated than that.

If that is the case, enlighten me.

Well, for one thing, the chassis was originally designed with the Renault in mind. The Toro Rosso chassis is that one with some alterations to take the Ferrari unit.

[EwanM]

The Chassis will be primarily designed around the Renault Engine, so maybe that explains it?

Maybe, but it was the same last season too...

But at the same time Renault and Ferrari both have engines around the same time.

I suppose there a few other reasons too. Red Bull did practically all of the testing on the car, and will have better facts and figures off their windtunnel.
Toro Rosso are just subsidiary

[7UpJordan]

Also Toro Rosso has had just as little testing time as Brawn and they were quite slow off the blocks last year too - even when they eventually got hold of the STR4. Bourdais didn't get his act together until around Valenci-yawn time when he got into Q3 for the first time. As for Buemi, that remains to be seen.

The absence of Berger may also have had an effect, maybe Vettel too.

[scotty]

The Red Bull is easily the best of the non-diffuser cars right now. I think Newey's inventive pull-rod suspension amongst other things probably explains its competitiveness right now.

But one thing I'm keen to know is how much power did Renault catch up with Ferrari? Because if it's still not as powerful, Red Bull should keep a close eye on Toro Roso once Bourdais has got himself used to the new car.

If it IS as powerful that doesn't make sense, unless Bourdais and Buemi are poor drivers - because they still have the same chassis, yet are pretty much at opposite ends of the grid. Wtf?

I think it's a bit more complicated than that.

If that is the case, enlighten me.

Well, for one thing, the chassis was originally designed with the Renault in mind. The Toro Rosso chassis is that one with some alterations to take the Ferrari unit.

As above, it was the same last season; also i doubt that would account for such a big performance difference. Maybe one explaination is that the STR drivers are relatively inexperienced in F1, and are still struggling with car setups? I suppose that could be related to the lack of testing time as well.

[EwanM]

Also Toro Rosso has had just as little testing time as Brawn and they were quite slow off the blocks last year too - even when they eventually got hold of the STR4. Bourdais didn't get his act together until around Valenci-yawn time when he got into Q3 for the first time. As for Buemi, that remains to be seen.

The absence of Berger may also have had an effect, maybe Vettel too.

Maybe simply Red Bull doesn't want them to outperform them ever again ?

[bmwpower]

If the diffusers are ruled legal i don't think RBR can easily develop their own due to how complex their rear end is already...

As of current, the diffusers are legal until ruled otherwise.

[scotty]

If the diffusers are ruled legal i don't think RBR can easily develop their own due to how complex their rear end is already...

As of current, the diffusers are legal until ruled otherwise.

Obviously, otherwise teams wouldn't be using them at the moment.