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[McLaren Fan]

The fact there is so much arguing this should indicate the incident was fifty-fifty. Vettel had the inside line, but Kubica was slightly ahead of him. It was one of those things.

[EwanM]

The fact there is so much arguing this should indicate the incident was fifty-fifty. Vettel had the inside line, but Kubica was slightly ahead of him. It was one of those things.

[csrracer]

Vettel Received a 10 spot penalty for Australia and nobodies complaining?? What gives doesn't this seem like another horrid penalty from the Stewards. or is it just me?

[Denthúl]

Vettel Received a 10 spot penalty for Australia and nobodies complaining?? What gives doesn't this seem like another horrid penalty from the Stewards. or is it just me?

The vast majority of us have complained about it. Hell, even Bernie Ecclestone has slammed the stewards for it!

[McLaren Fan]

Well, there was a big debate about Vettel's here: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5629

[racechick]

Vettel Received a 10 spot penalty for Australia and nobodies complaining?? What gives doesn't this seem like another horrid penalty from the Stewards. or is it just me?

There were lots of complaints last week Most people felt it was either 50/50 or Kubica's fault. I'll merge this with the relevant thread and you can read back.

[darwin dali]

It would behoove you to read more on the forum before writing such posts...

[csrracer]

I say it's Vettel's fault, he braked early then at the last minute decided to defend from the inside by getting on the gas without taking into account his severe lack of grip...

Kubica, IMO, was ahead and didn't know that Vettel would stick it up the inside at the last moment. He was committed, unlike Vettel

Rookie mistake on the part of Vettel, but it happens

What are you smoking? Kubica tried to pass on the outside and failed to pull ahead more than a quarter of a car length. There was no last moment. Vettel was right next to him the entire time. Kubica made the conscious decision to try and force Vettel off of the tarmac.

For all of you out there that keep saying that Kubica had the correct line: I would like to know what racing school you went to that taught you to apex a turn 2 meters outside the curb. Seriously, you fanboys' defense of Kubica is just making you look like a bunch of idiots.

Oh great, signed up less then a week and calling people fanboys already Go back and play it again on your DVR. Kubica was almost 1/2 on Vettel into the corner, the simple fact is this, Kubica, had a choice, go out further on the corner and pick up marbles on his tires or keep his line. He was counting on Vettel to concide to the corner because he did beat him to it, on the contrary to what everyone is saying about Vettel having no room, he barely rode the curb so there's more room to either move over or slow down knowing you don't have the proper tires to brake. Its a racing incident with 60/40. BTW, stick around a bit longer and get to know people here first before calling people names, think wisely

In my totally unbiased opinion of the Incident it was completely Kubica's fault He was faster than Vettel because Vettel's tires were losing traction... Why go around him on the outside and if you do chose to go around the outside of an ill handling car why not give them more room? He knew exactly where Vettel was, but he still tried to salvage the racing line hoping that Vettel was going to be able to brake enough to hold an inside line in a car that had no traction left in the tires. The responsibility of a safe pass lies with the overtaking driver any and Every racing school will teach you this. How the Stewards haven't figured this out yet baffles me.

[texasmr2]

The responsibility of a safe pass lies with the overtaking driver any and Every racing school will teach you this. How the Stewards haven't figured this out yet baffles me.

Nice to see somebody else has a firm grasp on reality .

[racechick]

I say it's Vettel's fault, he braked early then at the last minute decided to defend from the inside by getting on the gas without taking into account his severe lack of grip...

Kubica, IMO, was ahead and didn't know that Vettel would stick it up the inside at the last moment. He was committed, unlike Vettel

Rookie mistake on the part of Vettel, but it happens

What are you smoking? Kubica tried to pass on the outside and failed to pull ahead more than a quarter of a car length. There was no last moment. Vettel was right next to him the entire time. Kubica made the conscious decision to try and force Vettel off of the tarmac.

For all of you out there that keep saying that Kubica had the correct line: I would like to know what racing school you went to that taught you to apex a turn 2 meters outside the curb. Seriously, you fanboys' defense of Kubica is just making you look like a bunch of idiots.

Oh great, signed up less then a week and calling people fanboys already Go back and play it again on your DVR. Kubica was almost 1/2 on Vettel into the corner, the simple fact is this, Kubica, had a choice, go out further on the corner and pick up marbles on his tires or keep his line. He was counting on Vettel to concide to the corner because he did beat him to it, on the contrary to what everyone is saying about Vettel having no room, he barely rode the curb so there's more room to either move over or slow down knowing you don't have the proper tires to brake. Its a racing incident with 60/40. BTW, stick around a bit longer and get to know people here first before calling people names, think wisely

In my totally unbiased opinion of the Incident it was completely Kubica's fault He was faster than Vettel because Vettel's tires were losing traction... Why go around him on the outside and if you do chose to go around the outside of an ill handling car why not give them more room? He knew exactly where Vettel was, but he still tried to salvage the racing line hoping that Vettel was going to be able to brake enough to hold an inside line in a car that had no traction left in the tires. The responsibility of a safe pass lies with the overtaking driver any and Every racing school will teach you this. How the Stewards haven't figured this out yet baffles me.

You shouldn't be baffled. These are F1 stewards we're talking about.

[Jensonb]

That being said, Vettel braked supremely early, Kubica could easily have read that as him yielding.

[csrracer]

That being said, Vettel braked supremely early, Kubica could easily have read that as him yielding.

Exactly my point it was totally mishandled by Kubica. Vettel was taking a defensive line and from the inside of the turn could never have been able to hit a proper apex or pull away from Kubica after the turn. All Kubica had to do was hit a late apex and he would have been by a struggling Vettel within seconds after the turn.

[Jensonb]

That being said, Vettel braked supremely early, Kubica could easily have read that as him yielding.

Exactly my point it was totally mishandled by Kubica. Vettel was taking a defensive line and from the inside of the turn could never have been able to hit a proper apex or pull away from Kubica after the turn. All Kubica had to do was hit a late apex and he would have been by a struggling Vettel within seconds after the turn.

No, that's not exactly your point. I'm saying it was more 50/50 than it was Kubica's fault, because of Vettel's actions.

[csrracer]

That being said, Vettel braked supremely early, Kubica could easily have read that as him yielding.

Exactly my point it was totally mishandled by Kubica. Vettel was taking a defensive line and from the inside of the turn could never have been able to hit a proper apex or pull away from Kubica after the turn. All Kubica had to do was hit a late apex and he would have been by a struggling Vettel within seconds after the turn.

No, that's not exactly your point. I'm saying it was more 50/50 than it was Kubica's fault, because of Vettel's actions.

Kubica has proven himself as a great driver in my eyes, but I think this incident was 80% his fault. All Kubica had to do was let Vettel go into the turn first and Kubica would have shot past him under acceleration. Kubica tried to rush the pass and it cost both of them a strong finish. How long do you think it would have taken Kubica to get around Vettel if he let him have the turn first ?

[Jensonb]

That being said, Vettel braked supremely early, Kubica could easily have read that as him yielding.

Exactly my point it was totally mishandled by Kubica. Vettel was taking a defensive line and from the inside of the turn could never have been able to hit a proper apex or pull away from Kubica after the turn. All Kubica had to do was hit a late apex and he would have been by a struggling Vettel within seconds after the turn.

No, that's not exactly your point. I'm saying it was more 50/50 than it was Kubica's fault, because of Vettel's actions.

Kubica has proven himself as a great driver in my eyes, but I think this incident was 80% his fault. All Kubica had to do was let Vettel go into the turn first and Kubica would have shot past him under acceleration. Kubica tried to rush the pass and it cost both of them a strong finish. How long do you think it would have taken Kubica to get around Vettel if he let him have the turn first ?

I'm not saying Kubica couldn't have got past by the next turn, I'm saying he can't be faulted for having made an error in judging Vettel's likely future actions in a split second whilst racing towards the leader. He had every reason to think Vettel might be yielding, hence why I say it's 50/50 at best.