FORUMula1.com - F1 Forum

[texasmr2]

So by his logic, a lot of drivers were anti-professional today.

If that is the way he percieves it then sobeit. It does not mean he is wrong does it just becuase you disagree with him? I am merely trying to point out that we all have our own opinion regarding the situation and that nobody here is more right or wrong than the other.

I never said he was wrong, I just disagree with him.

Yah I realize that.

Then why are you telling me that just because I disagree with him it does not mean he is wrong, and that nobody here is more right or wrong than the other?

Because it's called an OPINION from somebody who also gets their info from outside of the 'inner circle of F1'. Why is your OPINION concerning this fiasco more right than his? What I'm trying to explain to you is neither you or him have the true facts only your opinion, right???????????

[SingaporeSling]

You can also see it from the point of view that Kimi was 2nd last at that moment, so if the race is re-started behind a safety car he’s got plenty of time to change the overalls back on, jump into the car, and catch the rest of the punch behind the safety car. Why would he need to be there waiting, especially if it would re-start he’s not allowed to overtake anyone.

Maybe he also understood the rules that the maximum race time of 2 hours was running out, so even if it would re-start behind the safety car he wouldn’t be able to score any points, so why risk damaging the car in the wet conditions and using the engine unnecessarily. For me that sounds professional racing driver, maybe not passionate but professional.

I know he’s attitude seems to be that he doesn’t care, but what’s the point of doing anything if there is nothing to win. For him that race was already lost, so he could as well continue to concentrate to the next one.

[MAD MAX]

I thought it was freaking hilarious seeing him cool as you like with his magnum and shorts. I like Kimi at least he brings a smile to the sport, oh and he was doing well in the race until the wrong tyre selection. There should be more like him

[TheOak]

His KERS was being checked again or did you guys miss the neon yellow warning cone on top of the car, the fact that the car had a fence running around it, it was on a rubber mat and an electrician was working on it?

[christoff]

Q&A With Stefano Domenicali

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74325

Q. Who took the decision to put Kimi onto wet tyres?

SD: Well, you know, I don't want to say that. It is something that we have discussed internally. Respecting your question, of course. I can tell you the reason why was we had information that a big downpour was coming. We felt some drops of rain at that stage, so because of this that is why we took that decision.

Q. And what about Michael Schumacher's role? Should all these mistakes happen with a seven-time world champion on board?

SD: I was expecting that question, but I do not want to give an answer because I did not also answer who decided what here. So I don't want to. This is something we will discuss internally, it is not something that we will discuss outside.

At the risk of sounding like a tabloid hack, SD could have easily ruled out MS playing a part in the wet tyre decision, on the other hand if he ruled out MS I suppose the next question could have been was it so and so etc etc, satrting a process of elimination, however if MS is not party to such decisions, what does he do?

[racechick]

Q&A With Stefano Domenicali

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74325

Q. Who took the decision to put Kimi onto wet tyres?

SD: Well, you know, I don't want to say that. It is something that we have discussed internally. Respecting your question, of course. I can tell you the reason why was we had information that a big downpour was coming. We felt some drops of rain at that stage, so because of this that is why we took that decision.

Q. And what about Michael Schumacher's role? Should all these mistakes happen with a seven-time world champion on board?

SD: I was expecting that question, but I do not want to give an answer because I did not also answer who decided what here. So I don't want to. This is something we will discuss internally, it is not something that we will discuss outside.

At the risk of sounding like a tabloid hack, SD could have easily ruled out MS playing a part in the wet tyre decision, on the other hand if he ruled out MS I suppose the next question could have been was it so and so etc etc, satrting a process of elimination, however if MS is not party to such decisions, what does he do?

That sounds to me like it was Schuey!!

[FerrariFan63]

Nop, just one. Only the driver who wasn't ready for a supposed re start.

SD said that they were still working on KR's car (KERS) and that he wouldn't have restarted even if the race did.

[Gilles 27]

Kimi's car was out of action with a CURSE issue so he wouldn't have been able to take the restart. Even in the massively unlikely event that the race was restarted, Kimi was near the back in a car that wasn't really fast enough to catch the leaders anyway and the track was too wet to do any meaningful testing. There was no reason at all for him to take the restart, should it happen. Ferrari let Kimi down big time on sunday, i would have f*cked right off and had a magnum if I was in his shoes.

[FerrariFan63]

Kimi's car was out of action with a CURSE issue so he wouldn't have been able to take the restart. Even in the massively unlikely event that the race was restarted, Kimi was near the back in a car that wasn't really fast enough to catch the leaders anyway and the track was too wet to do any meaningful testing. There was no reason at all for him to take the restart, should it happen. Ferrari let Kimi down big time on sunday, i would have f*cked right off and had a magnum if I was in his shoes.

And even if Kimi had to take the restart for some reason, he'd have ten minutes warning. Plenty of time to finish his ice cream and get dressed.

[SAS88]

Well they did mention during the race that Kimi said he was sure that he would not be able to get into the points if the race did restart, and that is very reckless, all it takes is a few cars to go off the track, and in those conditions it was quite likely. I don't care if he had to go in second gear to the finish line, he should have done it until his car failed, he's carrying on the Ferrari tradition, and we see him sauntering around in flip-flops eating ice-cream.

Who cares what position he would finish in, experience is what you get, when you don't get what you want. Really reckless.

[TheOak]

Well they did mention during the race that Kimi said he was sure that he would not be able to get into the points if the race did restart, and that is very reckless, all it takes is a few cars to go off the track, and in those conditions it was quite likely. I don't care if he had to go in second gear to the finish line, he should have done it until his car failed, he's carrying on the Ferrari tradition, and we see him sauntering around in flip-flops eating ice-cream.

Who cares what position he would finish in, experience is what you get, when you don't get what you want. Really reckless.

You don't seem to understand, the car(KERS)had already failed, again, so even if the race had been resumed he wasn't going anywhere.

Oh yea, and from 14th place it takes more than a few cars to go off to get into the points and I'm sure Kimi has all the experience he needs having been a racing driver all his life

[SAS88]

Well they did mention during the race that Kimi said he was sure that he would not be able to get into the points if the race did restart, and that is very reckless, all it takes is a few cars to go off the track, and in those conditions it was quite likely. I don't care if he had to go in second gear to the finish line, he should have done it until his car failed, he's carrying on the Ferrari tradition, and we see him sauntering around in flip-flops eating ice-cream.

Who cares what position he would finish in, experience is what you get, when you don't get what you want. Really reckless.

You don't seem to understand, the car(KERS)had already failed, again, so even if the race had been resumed he wasn't going anywhere.

Oh, and from 14th place it takes more than a few cars to go off to get into the points.

Yes I know there's quite a few places from 14th to the points, but that's not the entire picture to racing. I haven't followed Formula 1 since 2004, so pardon me when I ask what is KERS, and how it prevented him from racing again, was it a complete stop to him racing, or was it just an impairment? Bear with me lol, it's been 5 years since I last actively followed it.

[Gilles 27]

KERS is the FIA's answer to making F1 more 'green'. It basically uses the energy expended in braking, stores it and then deploys it as an engine power boost which the driver operates himself. it can be used for 6 second each lap. It stands for Kinetic Energy Recovery System and most of the teams are using an electronic system whereby the heat energy generated by braking is stored as electricity in a battery. Williams plan to use a flywheel instead.

The technology was banned in F1 in 1999 (?) but the FIA has decided that F1 needs to pretend to be green and has now allowed it. BMW have put a lot of pressure on the FIA to push it through as a rule change as they want to use it on their road cars and it will save them having to develop the technology out of their own budget (in F1 it will come out of sponsorship money).

In doing so, the FIA has compromised its commitments to safety and cost cutting. The teams are spending upwards of £70 million on the systems as well as some teams talking of developing two cars to accommodate different circuits.
People have already received harmful electric shocks from the KERS and Kimi Raikkonen experienced a toxic cockpit fire from his KERS system. The track marshals are being forced to wear thick protective gloves and this compromises their ability to rescue a driver trapped in a car.

KERS also has no real green credentials as the technology is not road relevant in its current state and very few components are suitable for other applications. The electronic systems also result in large numbers of toxic, waste batteries that are simply thrown away after each race.

The performance gains of KERS equate to an extra 80-90 horsepower and mean a faster qualifying lap time of about 2 tenths as well as a big boost off the start line. However, the compromised weight distribution of cars running the system (the devices are massively heavy), means that the advantage is negligible. The top 4 teams at the moment are not running it...

[Bruno_Brazil]

So Webber walking around drenched was ready for the re start?

Probably yes, and he was walking around not because he is irresponsible, but because the he's the GPDA's leader...and he was the drivers voice in there...so he HAD to talk to the drivers and check their opinions.

[SAS88]

KERS is the FIA's answer to making F1 more 'green'. It basically uses the energy expended in braking, stores it and then deploys it as an engine power boost which the driver operates himself. it can be used for 6 second each lap. It stands for Kinetic Energy Recovery System and most of the teams are using an electronic system whereby the heat energy generated by braking is stored as electricity in a battery. Williams plan to use a flywheel instead.

The technology was banned in F1 in 1999 (?) but the FIA has decided that F1 needs to pretend to be green and has now allowed it. BMW have put a lot of pressure on the FIA to push it through as a rule change as they want to use it on their road cars and it will save them having to develop the technology out of their own budget (in F1 it will come out of sponsorship money).

In doing so, the FIA has compromised its commitments to safety and cost cutting. The teams are spending upwards of £70 million on the systems as well as some teams talking of developing two cars to accommodate different circuits.
People have already received harmful electric shocks from the KERS and Kimi Raikkonen experienced a toxic cockpit fire from his KERS system. The track marshals are being forced to wear thick protective gloves and this compromises their ability to rescue a driver trapped in a car.

KERS also has no real green credentials as the technology is not road relevant in its current state and very few components are suitable for other applications. The electronic systems also result in large numbers of toxic, waste batteries that are simply thrown away after each race.

The performance gains of KERS equate to an extra 80-90 horsepower and mean a faster qualifying lap time of about 2 tenths as well as a big boost off the start line. However, the compromised weight distribution of cars running the system (the devices are massively heavy), means that the advantage is negligible. The top 4 teams at the moment are not running it...

Gilles, thanks for the insight in to the KERS system. So the top 4 team aren't running it at the moment, and this is largely the reason for their poor performance then I'm guessing?