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[Misery]

I have been fan of this great sport since as long as I can remember...

Because since 29 March 2009 this is a joke and this joke has the name BROWN GP

So you've been a fan for years and you reckon there's a team competing called "Brown" do you?



You're special you are...choose your prize!

Pfft they existed since what 6 march this year and to be honest I thought they would be nothing more then filler team like Force India. so yeah it was a typo. About only interesting thing about team is that FIA was so desperate to have team stay that they waived their entry fee.

TBH I think the whole think is just part of F1. Someone came up with an idea and someone else did not. they squabble about if it should be allowed or not and then it goes to the someone else to say who is right and who is wrong.

Many ideas over the years got banned, there are many regulations that are in place to keep field competitive, if this is allowed then other substantial changes should be allowed.

Button is below average driver (2006 victory only came due to luck and Alonso's (think it was him) early exit, even last year he only scored couple points) and Honda was awful team last year so I don't think that cars could do something better then maybe challenge to Toyota or Renault. This point alone proves to me that not only is diffuser the problem but that they got additional hidden things increasing performance to these levels.

Anyway I guess we will see in couple weeks, lets hope that they are stripped of all the stolen points, and lets hope that by the time we get back to Europe Ferrari and ML will get back to top.

[McLaren Fan]

Misery really is a misery guts when Ferrari are getting bettered fairly and squarely. His condition is common to the tifosi, however. If you can't beat it, ban it, is the motto: The diffuser, MP4-22, mass-damper, Alonso at Monza, Michelin tyres, MP4-13's brakes. The list goes on for ever. When Misery says regulations were introduced to keep the grid competative, he really means to keep Ferrari competative.

[7UpJordan]

AKR was never this bad when it comes to being a sore loser.

[dant]

I have been fan of this great sport since as long as I can remember...

Because since 29 March 2009 this is a joke and this joke has the name BROWN GP

So you've been a fan for years and you reckon there's a team competing called "Brown" do you?



You're special you are...choose your prize!

Pfft they existed since what 6 march this year and to be honest I thought they would be nothing more then filler team like Force India. so yeah it was a typo. About only interesting thing about team is that FIA was so desperate to have team stay that they waived their entry fee.

TBH I think the whole think is just part of F1. Someone came up with an idea and someone else did not. they squabble about if it should be allowed or not and then it goes to the someone else to say who is right and who is wrong.

Many ideas over the years got banned, there are many regulations that are in place to keep field competitive, if this is allowed then other substantial changes should be allowed.

Button is below average driver (2006 victory only came due to luck and Alonso's (think it was him) early exit, even last year he only scored couple points) and Honda was awful team last year so I don't think that cars could do something better then maybe challenge to Toyota or Renault. This point alone proves to me that not only is diffuser the problem but that they got additional hidden things increasing performance to these levels.

Anyway I guess we will see in couple weeks, lets hope that they are stripped of all the stolen points, and lets hope that by the time we get back to Europe Ferrari and ML will get back to top.

I just think your a troll, no typo, maybe it could have been a typo if you did it once, but twice?

Everybody knows that Ross Brawn instructed his team to concentrate on the 2009 car since early 2008 so its not impossible for them to have such a good car this time around.

[McLaren Fan]

Honda gave them a very big handshake as well. And they've got the best engine on the grid in the back of their car.

[Frosty]

Pfft they existed since what 6 march this year and to be honest I thought they would be nothing more then filler team like Force India. so yeah it was a typo. About only interesting thing about team is that FIA was so desperate to have team stay that they waived their entry fee.

Many ideas over the years got banned, there are many regulations that are in place to keep field competitive, if this is allowed then other substantial changes should be allowed.

Button is below average driver (2006 victory only came due to luck and Alonso's (think it was him) early exit, even last year he only scored couple points) and Honda was awful team last year so I don't think that cars could do something better then maybe challenge to Toyota or Renault. This point alone proves to me that not only is diffuser the problem but that they got additional hidden things increasing performance to these levels.

Anyway I guess we will see in couple weeks, lets hope that they are stripped of all the stolen points, and lets hope that by the time we get back to Europe Ferrari and ML will get back to top.

Ok so you seem to think that BGP have no right to be winning because they have failed in the past is that correct? The fact is the car is within the regulations no cheating involved, the reason the cars is so fast is that is that it has very advanced aerodynamics and clever diffuser they have spent the last couple of years on this car and the effort has finally paid off. You should also realise that when the team was Honda they had a very big budget similar to Toyota and BMW. I would say that Button is far from a below average driver who could be driving for a number of teams by now but he chose to stay with Honda instead and suffered in the bad times, now he is receiving his rewards in the good times. The reason McLaren and Ferrari are doing so bad is because they put all the effort into 08 right up to the last race that is the price of being a title contender.

[Misery]

Honda gave them a very big handshake as well. And they've got the best engine on the grid in the back of their car.

That was crap only car manufacturer is not allowed to supply engines to more then 2 teams, rules being side swiped again in favor of Brawn . So we got illegal engine, no entry fee and illegal diffuser.

Tell me this if Honda was going to be so dominant this year why did they exit F1 300 million dollar budget would be nothing to have Honda name #1 in F1.

[scotty]

Illegal engine? Hahaha.

[Jensonb]

Honda gave them a very big handshake as well. And they've got the best engine on the grid in the back of their car.

That was crap only car manufacturer is not allowed to supply engines to more then 2 teams, rules being side swiped again in favor of Brawn . So we got illegal engine, no entry fee and illegal diffuser.

Tell me this if Honda was going to be so dominant this year why did they exit F1 300 million dollar budget would be nothing to have Honda name #1 in F1.

It's called the Global Economic Crisis. It's gotten a little coverage in the news, maybe you've heard a word or two about it?

Button is below average driver (2006 victory only came due to luck and Alonso's (think it was him) early exit, even last year he only scored couple points)

It was indeed Alonso, but what you're forgetting is that Jenson was faster than Alonso and everyone else too. Luck played no larger part than normal, he was the best man on the day.

Clearly you're not a fan of Formula 1. You only seem to be happy if the Scuderia are at the front, and when someone else is you decide that either they are cheating, or they should be made to be cheating so that the Scuderia can get a leg up. You call Jenson Button, highly rated by most of the pitlane, "below average". As compared to what? Felipe Massa, a man who showed only minor promise until he moved to Ferrari and Michael Schumacher gave him a kick up the backside?

Come back when you have something worthwhile to say.

[Frosty]

Honda gave them a very big handshake as well. And they've got the best engine on the grid in the back of their car.

That was crap only car manufacturer is not allowed to supply engines to more then 2 teams, rules being side swiped again in favor of Brawn . So we got illegal engine, no entry fee and illegal diffuser.

Tell me this if Honda was going to be so dominant this year why did they exit F1 300 million dollar budget would be nothing to have Honda name #1 in F1.

McLaren are 50% owned by Mercedes so are classed as a manufacture so you could say they only have two customers which are BGP and Force India anway i'm sure this rule was was put to one side for Ferrari a couple of years ago right? The diffuser is not illegal you show me where in the regulations that they have breached them. The entry fee was good for the whole sport they really needed BGP in F1 because they need at least 10 teams. Honda pulled out because they probably did not want the risk anymore.

[Denthúl]

Honda gave them a very big handshake as well. And they've got the best engine on the grid in the back of their car.

That was crap only car manufacturer is not allowed to supply engines to more then 2 teams, rules being side swiped again in favor of Brawn . So we got illegal engine, no entry fee and illegal diffuser.

Tell me this if Honda was going to be so dominant this year why did they exit F1 300 million dollar budget would be nothing to have Honda name #1 in F1.

You really are silly.

The rule is not that "an engine supplier can only supply two teams with its engines". Rather, it is that an engine supplier can only supply two teams with engines without the consent of the FIA. The FIA consented, so Brawn GP have a Mercedes engine. It's not like we've never seen it before - remember the days when Ferrari supplied engines to more than two teams? 2007, 2008? And what about Cosworth, in 2006?

Having the engine is not illegal. Having the diffuser is not illegal. Furthermore, your assumption that the diffuser is the part that makes them go so fast is ridiculous. Even without the diffuser, Brawn would be ahead of all the other teams.

[Mr Sifter]

Ross Brown? I've been watching F1 since the 2001 season when I was 10, and all this time I thought his name was Ross Brawn. Silly me...

[McLaren Fan]

The rule is not that "an engine supplier can only supply two teams with its engines". Rather, it is that an engine supplier can only supply two teams with engines without the consent of the FIA. The FIA consented, so Brawn GP have a Mercedes engine. It's not like we've never seen it before - remember the days when Ferrari supplied engines to more than two teams? 2007, 2008? And what about Cosworth, in 2006?

Having the engine is not illegal. Having the diffuser is not illegal. Furthermore, your assumption that the diffuser is the part that makes them go so fast is ridiculous. Even without the diffuser, Brawn would be ahead of all the other teams.

Exactly.

[EwanM]

Exactly, Forumula One practically survived on the DFV's throughout the 70s. Supplying multiple teams with one engine should never ever be a problem.

[Juliet P]

Ok so you seem to think that BGP have no right to be winning because they have failed in the past is that correct? The fact is the car is within the regulations no cheating involved, the reason the cars is so fast is that is that it has very advanced aerodynamics and clever diffuser they have spent the last couple of years on this car and the effort has finally paid off. You should also realise that when the team was Honda they had a very big budget similar to Toyota and BMW. I would say that Button is far from a below average driver who could be driving for a number of teams by now but he chose to stay with Honda instead and suffered in the bad times, now he is receiving his rewards in the good times. The reason McLaren and Ferrari are doing so bad is because they put all the effort into 08 right up to the last race that is the price of being a title contender.