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[bud]

Lewis wouldnt consider quitting the sport or McLaren, if McLarens car was a front runner thats for sure!

[Kish]

If Hamilton is the man I think he is, this will become nothing more than a footnote in his career. Although I'm still unsure about his statement " I was deliberatly mislead". I hope it's not a cop-out, it would change my opinion of him personally.

I wanted him to come out, stand tall before the man, and take what he had coming. Then that would be the end of it, except fot the b*tter b*tches who's hopefull's are not as talented.

Has the Stewards meeting Transcript surfaced yet ?

I don't see Lewis quiting, but I can see where he and his Father whould be mad enough too if in fact Lewis was "mislead". Besides last I heard F1 was in no financial position to do anything but maintain. I wish they would have kept/improved last years cars, and spent the saved money during this race year. We might have even been able to add an extra team that way.

[darwin dali]

[texasmr2]

MOSLEY Talks Hamilton Out Of Quitting F1

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From Autosport, today:

Lewis Hamilton considered quitting McLaren, and even Formula 1, over the controversy surrounding his exclusion from last week's Australian Grand Prix, according to a report in The Sunday Times newspaper.

The newspaper claims that the world champion was talked out of walking away from the sport by FIA president Max Mosley, after Hamilton contacted the governing body to express his frustration that McLaren had misled him over the affair.

The Briton was disqualified from the Melbourne results after the stewards deemed he and McLaren sporting director Dave Ryan had 'deliberately misled' them about a radio conversation that took place after he had passed Toyota driver Jarno Trulli behind the safety car.

Hamilton and his father Anthony are reported to have been furious that his public perception had been tarnished by the affair, and both apparently insisted McLaren allow him to take the unprecendented step of holding a press conference in the FIA media centre so he could come clean about the situation.

He subsequently made an emotional open apology to the stewards and his fans. "I was misled and that is the way it went," he told the press. "I would like to say a big sorry to all my fans who have believed in me, who have supported me for years, who I showed who I am for the past three years, and it is who I am. I am not a liar. I am not a dishonest person.

Bernie Ecclestone told the Daily Mail: "Lewis is terribly upset but his father is even more upset having his son called a cheat. Anthony has brought Lewis up not to be like that and he is disappointed somebody has called him a liar when he isn't deliberately lying."

Hamilton's future with McLaren now remains unclear. BBC commentator Martin Brundle pointed out in his Sunday Times column today that the 24-year-old could walk free from his multi-year contract citing a breach on the team's behalf.

"McLaren could also now be perceived to be in breach of Lewis's contract for bringing him into disrepute especially as a senior team member has taken the whole rap," said Brundle, who raced for McLaren in 1994. "This would make him a free agent if he wanted to move teams."

Brundle also suggested that the scandal may stay with Hamilton forever. "The Briton's reputation has understandably taken a battering but a sense of perspective is required here.

"He will recover from this in time but he will have to live with the stigma in perpetuity, just as [Michael] Schumacher does. It will always be mentioned in his epitaph."

[darwin dali]

Repost.

[texasmr2]

Ah sorry I guess I missed that one, my bad , how about this?

MOSLEY: No Descision Yet On Further McLaren Sanctions

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FIA president Max Mosley says he is awaiting reports from officials before deciding whether or not McLaren will be brought before the World Motor Sport Council to explain why it deliberately misled race stewards.

With the controversy surrounding McLaren's misrepresentation of a radio conversation between the pit wall and Lewis Hamilton in the closing stages of the Australian Grand Prix still dominating talk in the Sepang paddock, Mosley has indicated that he remains open minded about the matter.

When asked, during a briefing with journalists at the Rally Portugal, whether Hamilton's apology for lying to the stewards was enough for McLaren to avoid facing sanctions, Mosley said: "I don't know. We haven't had the reports.

"There may be a report to the World Council. If there is, I will almost certainly be one of the people there to decide what happens. Therefore it would be completely wrong for me to discuss the rights and wrongs of the situation."

Further details about the McLaren team's specific involvement in the affair, and especially what happened in the days following the original stewards' hearing at the Australian Grand Prix, could be revealed during the team's regular press briefing which has been scheduled to take place at Sepang on Sunday morning.

Questions are being asked about why McLaren team principal Martin Whitmarsh was not aware of what Ryan and Hamilton had been saying to the stewards prior to the second hearing that took place in Malaysia on Thursday afternoon.

Even later that day, following the hearing and stewards' decision, Whitmarsh insisted that his team had not 'lied'.

The events have overshadowed the Malaysian GP weekend, and it is understood that relations between Hamilton and his McLaren team have been strained by all that has gone on.

Hamilton himself admitted during his emotional appearance at a press conference on Friday that he had been 'misled' - and was hurt that by acting on the orders of a team he had left him open to scathing criticism in the media for 'lying'.

"I've never felt so bad," he said. "Try and put yourself in my position and understand that, like I said, I am not a liar. I have not gone through my life being a liar or dishonest. And so for people to say I am dishonest and for the world to think that....what can I say?"

Mosley has insisted that despite Hamilton's disqualification from the Australian GP coming on the back of a number of penalties over the past 12 months, there was no personal vendetta against the British driver.

"We're trying to make sure everybody conducts themselves as they should," he said. "But you always have to remember with motorsport generally and Formula 1 in particular that it has all the complexities of any sport when there's one person or people against each other plus all the mechanical difficulties so it's very complex.

"Our system isn't perfect but we are doing our utmost to make sure everybody follows the rules. I wouldn't say we're stricter than in the past but maybe we've got better people doing it."

I personaly feel that Lewis is not to blame for this whole fiasco.

[darwin dali]

I guess you're right Gregg: why blame him for not having big enough attachments to stand up and tell the truth? He was just looking out for himself at the expense of JT and the credibility and reputation of his employer - he can't be blamed for THAT, can he?

[texasmr2]

What I should have added was that he was getting his instructions from the team and I am trying to be as neutral as possible, I'm a lover not a fighter .

[Kish]

:violinist:

Where was I crying for Hamilton ?

Got an axe to grind do we ?

You've obviously mistaken me for some pitifully delusional no life, no friends, over emotional Forum Queen who carries wanna be feelings around for F1 Racers & Constructors in thier forum purse like the leader of some kind of B*tter B*tch Br*gade.

I'm not. Perhaps the reflextion in your monitor is confusing you.

I don't care. I only watch because they are an elite group. Hell some Countries have more active Astronuats than an F1 field can muster.

If another Racer shows what I believe to be a champions attitude and skill, I'll roll with him. My loyalty is to the best, whoever that may be.

Right now thats still Hamilton. The more crap this kid handles calmly and cooly, the more I'll like him.

[bud]

I guess you're right Gregg: why blame him for not having big enough attachments to stand up and tell the truth? He was just looking out for himself at the expense of JT and the credibility and reputation of his employer - he can't be blamed for THAT, can he?

yeah i dont like the slant that it was the team and not his decision, he is apart of the team he should take as much responsibility as Davey Ryan.

[Stud Baker]

"Misled"? As a driver, shouldnt Hamilton know what to do and not to do? Doesnt he know the rules of the sport?

[texasmr2]

:violinist:

Where was I crying for Hamilton ?

Got an axe to grind do we ?

You've obviously mistaken me for some pitifully delusional no life, no friends, over emotional Forum Queen who carries wanna be feelings around for F1 Racers & Constructors in thier forum purse like the leader of some kind of B*tter B*tch Br*gade.

I'm not. Perhaps the reflextion in your monitor is confusing you.

I don't care. I only watch because they are an elite group. Hell some Countries have more active Astronuats than an F1 field can muster.

If another Racer shows what I believe to be a champions attitude and skill, I'll roll with him. My loyalty is to the best, whoever that may be.

Right now thats still Hamilton. The more crap this kid handles calmly and cooly, the more I'll like him.

Here we go again!

[Tim]

shouldnt Hamilton know what to do and not to do? Doesnt he know the rules of the sport?

Exactly, this sums it all up, fair enough for him to be stripped of the points.

[irons_4_ever]

FORMULA ONE world champion Lewis Hamilton was prepared to walk away from the sport over the controversy surrounding his evidence to the Australian Grand Prix race stewards last week.

It has emerged that the British driver, who made an unprecedented public apology on Friday for his part in giving the race stewards a false account of an on-track incident with Jarno Trulli in Melbourne, contacted the sport governing body’s president Max Mosley as the controversy blew up. He expressed his frustration that he had been led by McLaren into falsely telling the stewards he had not been instructed to allow Trulli past and that he was so disenchanted he was considering leaving the team and the sport. It is believed Mosley advised the driver not to do this.

Shortly afterwards Hamilton and his father Anthony are believed to have demanded that McLaren allow the driver to hold his own press conference, in which he laid the blame fully on the team’s sporting director Dave Ryan, the man who accompanied him to the stewards’ meeting. Ryan has since been suspended by the team he has served since 1974.

Hamilton, inset, was allowed use of the FIA’s press conference room in Malaysia, something normally reserved for official FIA press conferences. Its use by a driver or team is unprecedented. This and the fact that the conference was attended by Mosley’s second in command Alan Donnelly has fuelled suggestions that Hamilton could have been granted some sort of amnesty against further action in exchange for “coming clean”. It is also believed that the team - which was fined a record $100 million by the FIA for alleged industrial espionage against rival Ferrari in 2007 - is likely to face further sanctions over this latest affair.

Newly promoted team boss Martin Whitmarsh refused to rule out his own resignation over the affair, saying: “We are not ruling anything in or out. At the moment we are keen to put our hands up and say it was a serious error of judgment.”

Pundits are seriously doubting whether the relationship between Hamilton and McLaren - the team that gave him his break as a 13 year old karter - can ever be the same.

This affair comes as the team struggles on track too. Lewis Hamilton yesterday qualified just 13th fastest of the 20 car Malaysian Grand Prix field. His fortunes are in stark contrast to those of Britain’s other F1 star Jenson Button, who will start his Brawn car from pole position, from where he hopes to repeat his Australian Grand Prix victory.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 037246.ece



So whitmash sounds like his his going to quit, sounds like there are some major issues with the team

[texasmr2]

The transition from Ron to Martin has hit a speed bump forsure and has anyone else noticed that we have heard nothing from Ron concerning this ordeal, I wonder why?