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[bud]

i liked his comment before Spa when he said 'no one overtakes me on the outside' only to be taken on the outside by Kimi about 3 laps into the race...

Yeah you shouldnt go talking about s*** like that but to be fair that overtake by Kimi was because Lewis spun and Kimi went off track and carried more straight line speed going through eu rouge

[Gilles 27]

Yeah I know but it was a glorious lesson in why you shouldn't go shooting your moth off!
Even if you are the class of the field, sh*t can still happen to you. You didn't get Michael making claims like that even when he was cleaning up in 2002 and 2004

[bud]

Yeah I know but it was a glorious lesson in why you shouldn't go shooting your moth off!
Even if you are the class of the field, sh*t can still happen to you. You didn't get Michael making claims like that even when he was cleaning up in 2002 and 2004

MIchael wasnt a 23 year old kid in 02-04 though

[Gilles 27]

Yer that's a point. There are some young kids out there now. This kind of thing might just get more common...

[scotty]

What I need to know is how can Rubens ruin two or three peoples races at the start and get away without any penalty, yet one of Hamilton or Trulli made a harmless mastake but still one of the two must get a penalty?

Get your facts straight, Rubens was hit from behind and had nowhere to go.

Yup.

Also, i'd bet that if they followed the letter of the law people would still moan, same as if they were understanding - i think to an extent they try and take the circumstances into consideration, something that should be done but wouldn't in either of the extreme scenarios.

...and to be honest, the 'FIA supporting Brawn' thing is a very paranoid fantasy! I thought they were there merely to help Ferrari out at the expense of everyone else?

[bud]

I dunno the delay of the sc for a couple laps then to magically appear once Button pitted, seemed odd to me while I was there at the race and still feels odd now!

[scotty]

I dunno the delay of the sc for a couple laps then to magically appear once Button pitted, seemed odd to me while I was there at the race and still feels odd now!

Hmm, you could strongly argue that the stewards were fannying about deciding whether it could be covered under yellow flags (it wasn't too big a crash imo) and so they got him in just in case of the SC...

[Jensonb]

I dunno the delay of the sc for a couple laps then to magically appear once Button pitted, seemed odd to me while I was there at the race and still feels odd now!

Hmm, you could strongly argue that the stewards were fannying about deciding whether it could be covered under yellow flags (it wasn't too big a crash imo) and so they got him in just in case of the SC...

Yeah, and to some extent the Marshalling all day smacked of rustiness.

[Denthúl]

I dunno the delay of the sc for a couple laps then to magically appear once Button pitted, seemed odd to me while I was there at the race and still feels odd now!

Hmm, you could strongly argue that the stewards were fannying about deciding whether it could be covered under yellow flags (it wasn't too big a crash imo) and so they got him in just in case of the SC...

Yeah, and to some extent the Marshalling all day smacked of rustiness.

Yep. Did you watch the footage of Trulli passing Hamilton I posted? There were no white flags being shown despite there being a rescue vehicle on the track, just round the next bend.

[bmwpower]

Vettel ruined Kubica's race or vice versa, matter of facts, a few drivers got their races ruined in the first corner, none (except Vettel) was penalized because its a RACING INCIDENT. There are strict guildlines and rules under a safety car to protect the safety car, can you honestly say what happened between Truilli and Hamilton was a "racing incident" or a breach of the rules?? Remember, Truilli was the one PENALIZED for the infraction not Hamilton, but Toyota appealed, it was provened that Truilli was innocent but there can't be two innocent people on a infraction, someone had to cause the infraction, who could that be??

Again no consistancy. You contradict yourself. And this is what I mean when I say that the whole of F1 are too loose with some incidents but really stern on others. In the first corner you say no one is is to blame because basically it happened on the first corner and at full speed. You completely rule out that some drivers got greedy and pushed far too hard and ruined other peoples races as a result. I'm sorry but if that collision was avoidably it deserves to be punished. I think it deserves to be punished purely because we should encourage drivers to be careful in relation to other drivers races.

If someone had to of caused the Hamilton/Truilli infraction, how come no one caused the first corner incident? If there always have to be culperates

Contradiction?? I gave two examples of what could and did happened in a race and how the rules are applied differently to each incident. First corner mayhem is usually expected in an F1 race, cars will be pinched in, boxed down as they FIGHT (Keyword) for positions, when you put 20+cars into a corner, someone will lose out. Racing incidents can be intreperted many ways and can be inconsistent. In a safety car deployment the rules are clear and defined and it can only be intrepered one way only, it is no longer a RACING incident because you are not ALLOWED to RACE or FIGHT for positions. The rules are very clear to protect the safety car and other drivers, you are not allowed to pass and will only do so if instructed by the safety car. Yet, you still haven't answered my question, what happened during the safety car was a "racing incident" or a "breach of the rules"??

Hey bro please do us all a favor and use paragraphs, your post will be ALOT more legible.

State of George Bush, as expected

tex

[LittleSnowBear]

i liked his comment before Spa when he said 'no one overtakes me on the outside' only to be taken on the outside by Kimi about 3 laps into the race...

Had me in stitches for like a week! We all knew it was gonna happen like a bad horror film 'nothing can go wrong now' kinda thing