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[cetin]

I read everything I can about it and still I don't understand why he was disqualified. He lied, but about what? Slowed down dramatically but said he didn't? If so what does it matter anyway? Sounds like another steward manevour to prevent title.

[McLaren Fan]

1. Hire a F'n expert on rules and regs, full time senior position. There is no reason why a team should be ignorant of any situation regarding rules. This goes for all teams. If there are questions, experts need to verify before race season.

Well, that would be pointless, for nobody can understand the rules, so full of loopholes and uncertainties are they. Anyway, whilst I think Hamilton should be punished for lying, I think the FIA have got the punishment wrong.

[EwanM]

1. Hire a F'n expert on rules and regs, full time senior position. There is no reason why a team should be ignorant of any situation regarding rules. This goes for all teams. If there are questions, experts need to verify before race season.

Well, that would be pointless, for nobody can understand the rules, so full of loopholes and uncertainties are they. Anyway, whilst I think Hamilton should be punished for lying, I think the FIA have got the punishment wrong.

Exactly.
It was a post race incident. Slap some penalty on for this weekend.

[Denthúl]

1. Hire a F'n expert on rules and regs, full time senior position. There is no reason why a team should be ignorant of any situation regarding rules. This goes for all teams. If there are questions, experts need to verify before race season.

Well, that would be pointless, for nobody can understand the rules, so full of loopholes and uncertainties are they. Anyway, whilst I think Hamilton should be punished for lying, I think the FIA have got the punishment wrong.

Exactly.
It was a post race incident. Slap some penalty on for this weekend.

Indeed. But could you imagine all of the fan-boy whines if he was suspended for this weekend's race? I'd have to avoid the internet completely. At least it's possible to see why the FIA issued the penalty that they did in this case, unlike the times where we've all been left totally confused by their decision.

[EwanM]

1. Hire a F'n expert on rules and regs, full time senior position. There is no reason why a team should be ignorant of any situation regarding rules. This goes for all teams. If there are questions, experts need to verify before race season.

Well, that would be pointless, for nobody can understand the rules, so full of loopholes and uncertainties are they. Anyway, whilst I think Hamilton should be punished for lying, I think the FIA have got the punishment wrong.

Exactly.
It was a post race incident. Slap some penalty on for this weekend.

Indeed. But could you imagine all of the fan-boy whines if he was suspended for this weekend's race? I'd have to avoid the internet completely. At least it's possible to see why the FIA issued the penalty that they did in this case, unlike the times where we've all been left totally confused by their decision.

In reality Hamilton and Mclaren are too big of a draw for this to ever happen. (Although if it does in future i'll take it back)
I agree the FIA actually have done the right thing in pulling Hamilton up for this - however its penalty is absurd!

[bmwpower]

1. Hire a F'n expert on rules and regs, full time senior position. There is no reason why a team should be ignorant of any situation regarding rules. This goes for all teams. If there are questions, experts need to verify before race season.

Well, that would be pointless, for nobody can understand the rules, so full of loopholes and uncertainties are they. Anyway, whilst I think Hamilton should be punished for lying, I think the FIA have got the punishment wrong.

I definetly agreed with you, I think LH got the wrong info from his director, its a mistake and LH didn't do it on purpose, BUT the reason why this turned into a soap opera is because the STEWARDS punished Trulli for it. Toyota appealed Trulli's punishment, stewards investigated and found that Trulli reached point A because of point B, point B being LH. Trulli was awarded back the position but the problem still remained, someone was responsible for point A, that will be point B. Cause and effect. Both can't be guilty, both can't be innocent.

[McLaren Fan]

Indeed. But could you imagine all of the fan-boy whines if he was suspended for this weekend's race? I'd have to avoid the internet completely. At least it's possible to see why the FIA issued the penalty that they did in this case, unlike the times where we've all been left totally confused by their decision.

Well, at least that's some progress.

[stonemonkey]

1. Hire a F'n expert on rules and regs, full time senior position. There is no reason why a team should be ignorant of any situation regarding rules. This goes for all teams. If there are questions, experts need to verify before race season.

There were probably some memories of Spa (where even the guys enforcing the rules didn't agree with each other so how are the teams supposed to know) going on while Mclaren were trying to contact CW.
Also, the team didn't have instant access to a replay of Hamilton passing Trulli and only had Lewis' word that Trulli had gone completely off track and were otherwise blind to the event so unless your F'n expert on rules and regs has psychic abilities too he couldn't have helped much.

[Denthúl]

Indeed. But could you imagine all of the fan-boy whines if he was suspended for this weekend's race? I'd have to avoid the internet completely. At least it's possible to see why the FIA issued the penalty that they did in this case, unlike the times where we've all been left totally confused by their decision.

Well, at least that's some progress.

Yeah

To be honest, at least this whole affair was handled better than Spa-gate. There was a level of transparency involved and the stewards eventually got the decision half-right. But to be honest, the level of improvement between Spa and now needed to be much bigger. The weekend as a whole was handled well by stewards, it just all went wrong at the Trulli/Hamilton incident. I can see some major areas that need to be addressed, the first of these being total transparency, rather than the partial transparency that we have now.

Quicker decisions and more appropriate penalties are the next area. As for the FIA itself, the regulations need to be addressed. Loopholes need to be closed and the regulations need to be expanded to cover more possible potential infractions, as well as making them more understandable for every party involved.

[Jensonb]

To be honest, i would have though McLaren would have known better than to present anything other than all the facts to the FiA, who have a habit of over-reacting when they feel they are being misled (Look at the BAR 007 Imola fiasco)

[Denthúl]

To be honest, i would have though McLaren would have known better than to present anything other than all the facts to the FiA, who have a habit of over-reacting when they feel they are being misled (Look at the BAR 007 Imola fiasco)

Which, if you remember, resulted in disqualification AND Jenson spending two races in the commentary box. Lewis and McLaren have it easy

[lucky]

That's a great decsion. McLaren are cheats. Misleading the stewards is cheating. As a result of once again getting caught cheating, McLaren should be penalised. So no giving 4th back isn't good enough. A penalty must be imposed to discourage future attemps at cheating. So disqualification is fair and Trulli the Italian is given his 3rd place back. One would think that after McLaren got caught cheating off Ferrari in 2007 that they would of learnt their lesson. I guess not. Once a cheater, always a cheater.

and once a lamb always a lamb

Hajde u kurac!

You are so full of it bud! But I guess some people never learn. Once full of shiit, always full of more shiit.

This is not nice,I know what it means.In english:F... you,even worse than that in our language!
If this is your tipe of converastion you shoud be banned
Sram te bilo!(Translation:Shame on you )

[Gert]

The problem stil sems to be that either Hamilton of Dave Thing (the Macca team manager) denied that Hamiton had been told to let Trulli past when the radio traffic appears to say that he was told to do this.

That he didn't actually do it is another matter.

Doesn't seem that the punishement fits the crime though does it?

[southern cross]

Yeah

To be honest, at least this whole affair was handled better than Spa-gate. There was a level of transparency involved and the stewards eventually got the decision half-right. But to be honest, the level of improvement between Spa and now needed to be much bigger. The weekend as a whole was handled well by stewards, it just all went wrong at the Trulli/Hamilton incident. I can see some major areas that need to be addressed, the first of these being total transparency, rather than the partial transparency that we have now.

Quicker decisions and more appropriate penalties are the next area. As for the FIA itself, the regulations need to be addressed. Loopholes need to be closed and the regulations need to be expanded to cover more possible potential infractions, as well as making them more understandable for every party involved.

Nice post, Denthùl! On topic, I'd just say that McLaren lied, and that's sad. About the stewards and the FIA, as you are saying, all it's needed is transparency.
Leaving things as they are now, the main focus is taken off the races and penalties and endless discussions are instead a more important topic. People start talking about conspiracies against McLaren, in favor of someone else or whatever. At least, it's nice that they at least revoked Trulli's penalty, he's one of the few straightforward and honest guys in this racing business All I know is that, either way, the sport itself suffers from these afer-race events.
I hope the FIA are able to learn from the past and get the decision-making and the rules straightened out

[Gaz]

1. Hire a F'n expert on rules and regs, full time senior position. There is no reason why a team should be ignorant of any situation regarding rules. This goes for all teams. If there are questions, experts need to verify before race season.

Well, that would be pointless, for nobody can understand the rules, so full of loopholes and uncertainties are they. Anyway, whilst I think Hamilton should be punished for lying, I think the FIA have got the punishment wrong.

Yeh remove truli's penalty make hamilton 4th and then give him a fine.

that would of been acceptable.