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[Frosty]

Hamilton summoned by stewards over Trulli pass

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/04/ ... ulli-pass/

i think this is going to turn sour!

Being put back in to fourth place would be the least of Lewis' worries if this turns out to be true. Makes me wonder why the stewards had no access to radio transmissions on Sunday night, though. The FIA and the race organisers need to make this kind of information available for immediate use then we can avoid things like this in the future.

Ehem, it wouldn't be needed if the drivers were more honest like SV

If he has lied then he deserves to be punished! I will be surprised if he has lied because it would be a monumentally stupid thing to do, considering how open all of the radio information is and then to go and tell some jurnos the complete opposite to what he might have told the stewards it would truly be the height of folly!

[darwin dali]

Hamilton summoned by stewards over Trulli pass

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/04/ ... ulli-pass/

i think this is going to turn sour!

Being put back in to fourth place would be the least of Lewis' worries if this turns out to be true. Makes me wonder why the stewards had no access to radio transmissions on Sunday night, though. The FIA and the race organisers need to make this kind of information available for immediate use then we can avoid things like this in the future.

Ehem, it wouldn't be needed if the drivers were more honest like SV

Yes, yes. But a competitive animal is rarely an honest animal

Well, then SV must be way at the top of the endangered species list

[Gert]

Fine the FIA.

[Gaz]

why does this have to keep going on when toyta have dropped it.

[Denthúl]

Hamilton summoned by stewards over Trulli pass

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/04/ ... ulli-pass/

i think this is going to turn sour!

Being put back in to fourth place would be the least of Lewis' worries if this turns out to be true. Makes me wonder why the stewards had no access to radio transmissions on Sunday night, though. The FIA and the race organisers need to make this kind of information available for immediate use then we can avoid things like this in the future.

Ehem, it wouldn't be needed if the drivers were more honest like SV

If he has lied then he deserves to be punished! I will be surprised if he has lied because it would be a monumentally stupid thing to do, considering how open all of the radio information is and then to go and tell some jurnos the complete opposite to what he might have told the stewards it would truly be the height of folly!

Indeed. Mind you, he has already slipped up this weekend by complaining about his car over the radio but saying it was good in a press conference. Then being pulled up on it by a journalist and looking somewhat frustrated.

Still, that's on a whole different level and I still doubt he did it because, well, he just doesn't seem the type.

Hamilton summoned by stewards over Trulli pass

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/04/ ... ulli-pass/

i think this is going to turn sour!

Being put back in to fourth place would be the least of Lewis' worries if this turns out to be true. Makes me wonder why the stewards had no access to radio transmissions on Sunday night, though. The FIA and the race organisers need to make this kind of information available for immediate use then we can avoid things like this in the future.

Ehem, it wouldn't be needed if the drivers were more honest like SV

Yes, yes. But a competitive animal is rarely an honest animal

Well, then SV must be way at the top of the endangered species list

Yep. There are some nice guys in the sport, but not too many. Back in the (my) day, there were Rubens and Mika. Nowadays, Sebastian is leading the way, it seems. I do hope he stays that way and that success won't go to his head. He's a lovely guy.

Felipe's a nice guy, too.

why does this have to keep going on when toyta have dropped it.

Because it's not just about the safety car overtaking incident anymore, but the fact that Lewis may have lied to stewards about the situation. If you're found innocent at trial, but you've lied to the courts, you can (and should) still be prosecuted for it.

[Gaz]

Yeh but this isnt' a court is a sporting incident.

i feel for sorry trulli and its bad if LH lied

but like i said before does EVERYTHING have to drag on for weeks in F1

[csrracer]

Should the Stewards be basing their decisions on what the driver's are saying? Is it just me or does this sound like a very bad way to officiate to begin with.

[darwin dali]

Yeh but this isnt' a court is a sporting incident.

i feel for sorry trulli and its bad if LH lied

but like i said before does EVERYTHING have to drag on for weeks in F1

It's hardly for weeks in this case, is it? They're actually quite up to speed and will decide hours from now.

[darwin dali]

Should the Stewarts be basing their decisions on what the driver's are saying? Is it just me or does this sound like a very bad way to officiate to begin with.

Uh. no! In every sport the athlete is being heard before a decision is made. It's called due process

[Denthúl]

Yeh but this isnt' a court is a sporting incident.

i feel for sorry trulli and its bad if LH lied

but like i said before does EVERYTHING have to drag on for weeks in F1

There are still rules that have to be obeyed. Or would you rather the FIA let such things slide and everyone started getting away with it, throwing yet more race results in to doubt? We have enough of that because of the FIA themselves as it is. It's bad if Lewis lied, yes, and deceiving the stewards (thus creating the situation we now have) is something deserving of punishment! If he has lied to them, then that would be the main reason this mess has dragged on for so long.

Should the Stewarts be basing their decisions on what the driver's are saying? Is it just me or does this sound like a very bad way to officiate to begin with.

Well, their decisions are mostly based on what the drivers have to say when they get pulled in to the stewards' offices. Obviously it has come to light that Lewis has said, in an interview, that he was told to let Trulli pass. Thus, they've listened to the radio transmissions and found this to be the case and don't think it matches up with what Lewis said in their office. Of course, that's all if this is indeed true. It could well not be.

Yeh but this isnt' a court is a sporting incident.

i feel for sorry trulli and its bad if LH lied

but like i said before does EVERYTHING have to drag on for weeks in F1

It's hardly for weeks in this case, is it? They're actually quite up to speed and will decide hours from now.

Indeed. It's nice to have that for once.

[darwin dali]

In soccer, e.g., if a player lies and pretends to have been fouled by another player, incl. all the antics and Oscar-worthy performances, but the referees saw it clearly differently, he is bound to get a yellow card with all its consequences.

[Frosty]

Should the Stewards be basing their decisions on what the driver's are saying? Is it just me or does this sound like a very bad way to officiate to begin with.

That is a good point I think Stewards should always ask the drivers involved about their side of the story but their decision should not be based solely upon that. They have access to all the telemetry, TV footage, radio transmissions it's crazy that they made a decision without having all that information!

[Denthúl]

Should the Stewards be basing their decisions on what the driver's are saying? Is it just me or does this sound like a very bad way to officiate to begin with.

That is a good point I think Stewards should always ask the drivers involved about their side of the story but their decision should not be based solely upon that. They have access to all the telemetry, TV footage, radio transmissions it's crazy that they made a decision without having all that information!

One of the posts above states that the stewards didn't have access to radio transmissions, for whatever reason. Furthermore, if it wasn't mentioned when they were discussing it with the drivers, they would have had no reason to check.

[csrracer]

Well, their decisions are mostly based on what the drivers have to say when they get pulled in to the stewards' offices. Obviously it has come to light that Lewis has said, in an interview, that he was told to let Trulli pass. Thus, they've listened to the radio transmissions and found this to be the case and don't think it matches up with what Lewis said in their office. Of course, that's all if this is indeed true. It could well not be.

Sorry I don't agree whatsoever, They should have made a decision based on the replay of the incident. In no other type of competition would you call in the competitors and ask them for their stories regarding the incident in question, and base your decision on their testimony. The Stewards should have realized by watching the footage that Hamilton and Trulli were confused by what positions they should have been in, and simply declared Hamilton 3rd and Trulli 4th.

[darwin dali]

Should the Stewards be basing their decisions on what the driver's are saying? Is it just me or does this sound like a very bad way to officiate to begin with.

That is a good point I think Stewards should always ask the drivers involved about their side of the story but their decision should not be based solely upon that. They have access to all the telemetry, TV footage, radio transmissions it's crazy that they made a decision without having all that information!

On the other hand, this was a situation in which, had it happened earlier in the race, JT would have gotten a drive through penalty based on a more or less on the spot decision with no interview or radio transmission data available. So, you could argue the way the stewards handled THIS situation was marginally better than what would have been possible during the race and they did it due to pressure to have closure as quickly as possible after the race. In hindsight it would have been better to have the stewards take their time and look at all the evidence.