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[darwin dali]

Autosport isn't the bible...

My bible has lots of pictures

[vaptin]

It makes no sense, McLaren have the resources for two independent setups. There's no need to set Lewis's car up in the way that Jenson likes but Lewis doesn't. Maybe this is about feedback on developmental parts for the car? Or maybe Lewis is complicit in this? When Jenson disagrees he changes his mind and agrees that he prefers Jenson's setup - although that also sounds far-fetched.

What?

I don't believe it, it was just the only explanation I could think of that could reasonably satisfy both Racechick's statement and Mclaren not forcing Lewis to use the setup Jenson likes.

[What's Burning?]

Autosport isn't the bible...

My bible has lots of pictures

I stole my bible.

[stonemonkey]

Autosport isn't the bible...

My bible has lots of pictures

I stole my bible.

I guess peter'll have a few questions about that, not quite sure what he'll make of DDs tho.

[McLaren]

I don't have a bible,not into fairytales

[scotty]

Also from that article:

Button’s sensitivity to the car’s microbehaviour has probably played its part in how the team looks to him more than Hamilton for set-up/development direction through a race weekend.

[What's Burning?]

I've always maintained, best driver pairing on the grid.

[bud]

I can understand claims of a team developing components for a certain driver over another, I just don't understand claims of one setup direction on a race weekend for both drivers in a team.
I've always thought the whole point of practice sessions in any form of racing was for a driver to tune the car to his liking. Having one setup for both seems illogical to me, sure you bounce data off your team mate but I can't see a team making one driver use the others setup at the detriment to that driver.

[racechick]

Also from that article:

Button’s sensitivity to the car’s microbehaviour has probably played its part in how the team looks to him more than Hamilton for set-up/development direction through a race weekend.

Yes, that directly preceded the bit I quoted.

[scotty]

So... i am afraid i don't quite see your issue. As others said Hamilton can just go his own setup route if he so chooses, but maybe Button is just better at outright car setup. Maybe. There is no way of quantifying a statement either way from our position, but that is what is suggested. There is no way a team (or driver) worth their salt would compromise themselves, so that is surely the case, ie Hamilton is still happy enough to go along with it and doesn't find it to any detriment in his own performance. Although remember the last time the McLaren guys quite blatantly went different setup routes at Monza 2010. Button gave himself a much quicker car then.

It's an interesting article, despite some poor points ie 'oversteer' guys having a huge advantage at Monaco, yet Kubica prefers understeer... and he has PROVEN to be pretty damn good, to put it mildly, around street circuits. But then it was written by Mark Hughes. I will post it if i can be arsed to appropriately modify the formatting on my pdf copy for posting here...

[racechick]

I thought it was a good article. Some very interesting points and lots of detail. Regarding Monacco, the standout drivers are Schumacher, Senna, Hamilton. All liking oversteer, but like the article said, its a knife edge to getting it wrong.....but if you get it right Too much in the article to go into it all...it is a pain trying to post the online version, Ive not managed to do it. It may become available in a week or so in the normal version.

But back to my issue. Its that whenever there is a divergence of opinion they follow Button. Lewis has made some set up decisions that have worked out faster and his driving is pretty much the other end of the spectrum to Buttons, so it seems a little unfair of the team to take the stance to always follow Button because he cant drive the car unless its in a very narrow window and Hamilton just has to drive around the difficulties.

[scotty]

It is important to consider context there, 'divergence of opinion' is a very broad term in this case. If Hamilton had one setup that was giving better times, but Button had another that isn't so good, that would class as divergence of opinion, and do you really think Hamilton would then abandon his setup route?

[racechick]

You'd hope not, but it didnt sound like he was given much choice. Anyway whatever. We'll just have to rely on his skill to drive round set ups that arent optimum for him. I have every faith in him

[scotty]

As one f1 fan to another i emplore you not to take articles like that as a definitive insight into how F1 teams actually run, that's all i can say...

[vaptin]

Another interpretation - after they collected all the set-up data, McLaren will analysis (and part of this will be taking into account driver feedback), based on this they give an "official" or "recommended" set-up to their drivers. And they rate Jenson's feedback higher than Lewis's?