When has the pole position not started on pole?

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When has the pole position not started on pole?

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Hi, guys.

I'm a member over at Sports.SE site. One of our members has asked the question below:

http://goo.gl/ZcVEI

Lewis Hamilton has a 5 place grid penalty for the Chinese Grand Prix due to having to change his gearbox.

My question is, when was the last time that the fastest qualifier didn't start on pole, due to a penalty or some other situation? I don't think it's ever happened before due to a penalty but am not sure, hence the question.

When was the last time the pole-sitter didn't start the race on pole? This has definitely happened due to mechanical problems or spinning off the track on the formation lap in the wet, San Marino springs to mind but I can't remember the year or who it was.


I've had a look on the F1 stats pages but I couldn't find an answer to his question.

I've joined up here to see if one of you F1 enthusiasts can answer the question. Feel free to post an answer over there or just here if you'd rather.

Thanks to anyone who can help.

Ste.
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Re: When has the pole position not started on pole?

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Happened today. Schumacher qualified on pole but had a 5 place grid penalty from the Spanish GP.
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andrew wrote:Happened today. Schumacher qualified on pole but had a 5 place grid penalty from the Spanish GP.


Yeah, I saw that. Has it happened much historically?
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I remember in 1998, Schumacher had pole at Suzuka but stalled on the grid. But i'm sure it happened a couple more times in between that, and the two times it happened this year. Will try to remember when...
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Oh! Obvious answer: Trulli - Indy 2005.
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Thanks, it would be great if I could get some more examples!

I'm also glad that it might have posed a bit of a question for the F1 know-it-alls! :wink:

Anyone any thoughts about what the San Marino incident might have been?
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I spent a few hours doing some research and I found TEN grand prix where the fastest qualifier didn't start at pole.

I've added them to the question so you can see them here: http://goo.gl/ZcVEI

Hope at least someone finds this even slightly interesting! :D
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Postby Jabberwocky »

Didn't DC get a pole and then stall on the out lap once? does that count?
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Jabberwocky wrote:Didn't DC get a pole and then stall on the out lap once? does that count?


Yep, I got that one.
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scotty wrote:Oh! Obvious answer: Trulli - Indy 2005.


First pole for Toyota as well! Crucially, that was the "race" that lost them 3rd in the WCC to Ferrari. :shock:
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