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[F1er]

Vettel is not a racer,he's an one lap specialist in a very fast car.His races are controlled and ran by the pitwall.

If you watch the China race again,Lewis' mechanic tells him to take it easy and save the tires coz he still got 12-13 laps left What's he do next? A full on attack on Massa.
Now that is a RACER,and until Vettel wins a race from 3-4-5th,all he'd be known for is the guy who drove a very fast car and never won when he wasn't on pole.

[FRAFPDD]

Vettel is not a racer,he's an one lap specialist in a very fast car.His races are controlled and ran by the pitwall.

If you watch the China race again,Lewis' mechanic tells him to take it easy and save the tires coz he still got 12-13 laps left What's he do next? A full on attack on Massa.
Now that is a RACER,and until Vettel wins a race from 3-4-5th,all he'd be known for is the guy who drove a very fast car and never won when he wasn't on pole.

He won from third in Malaysia 2010 i think.

[sennasational]

The 'That's Hamilton' thread made sense because of his performance on Sunday, it implied that because he had a brilliant performance on Sunday any speculation over his ability after the Malaysia race could be disregarded. This thread does the opposite, some people (me included) think that Vettel is an ok driver in a brilliant car. Based on his performance in China I'd have to say it appears that was the case, good qualifying and a pretty standard race. So i do partly agree with you, 'that' is Vettel indeed, but what exactly 'that' is in this case is probably not the example you would want to use to prove any point about Vettel being anything other than a great qualifier.

[stonemonkey]

That's Vettel.







Just not after China.

[Bubbie]

Listen to all the haters...

1 - Vettel had radio problems where he couldn't communicate to the pits.

2 - This year the driver's feeling of the tires means a lot more to the race strategy than the guys with the laptops.

Vettel was unable to change his race strategy on the fly, or provide feedback on the car/tire performance. So before you all say he sucks, etc. Keep in mind that he was severely handi-capped for this race.

Hammy drove one hell of a race and I am glad he won. But lets not forget this very important point.

[texasmr2]

Listen to all the haters...

Haters is alittle melodramatic don't ya think? Just because someone does not like a driver does not mean (or should not mean) they 'HATE' him imho.

Vettel was unable to change his race strategy on the fly, or provide feedback on the car/tire performance. So before you all say he sucks, etc. Keep in mind that he was severely handi-capped for this race.

He is not the only driver in F1 history to experience such issue's and some have gone on too win the race. Don't ask me for proof because I'm not about to go thru every race since '82 just to prove myself right, the final decision comes down to the driver not the pit guru's.

[Bubbie]

Listen to all the haters...

Haters is alittle melodramatic don't ya think? Just because someone does not like a driver does not mean (or should not mean) they 'HATE' him imho.

Vettel was unable to change his race strategy on the fly, or provide feedback on the car/tire performance. So before you all say he sucks, etc. Keep in mind that he was severely handi-capped for this race.

He is not the only driver in F1 history to experience such issue's and some have gone on too win the race. Don't ask me for proof because I'm not about to go thru every race since '82 just to prove myself right, the final decision comes down to the driver not the pit guru's.

You avoid the point about it being more important than ever for this communication to occur (the strategy due to tires needs to be an on-the-fly thing with the tires "going off a cliff" instead of just slight degradation).

You are also wrong about it being the drivers call, because if they just head for the pits without the team being ready, how well is that pitstop gonna go?

[sennasational]

Listen to all the haters...

Haters is alittle melodramatic don't ya think? Just because someone does not like a driver does not mean (or should not mean) they 'HATE' him imho.

Vettel was unable to change his race strategy on the fly, or provide feedback on the car/tire performance. So before you all say he sucks, etc. Keep in mind that he was severely handi-capped for this race.

He is not the only driver in F1 history to experience such issue's and some have gone on too win the race. Don't ask me for proof because I'm not about to go thru every race since '82 just to prove myself right, the final decision comes down to the driver not the pit guru's.

You avoid the point about it being more important than ever for this communication to occur (the strategy due to tires needs to be an on-the-fly thing with the tires "going off a cliff" instead of just slight degradation).

You are also wrong about it being the drivers call, because if they just head for the pits without the team being ready, how well is that pitstop gonna go?

It is the drivers call. If the driver cannot contact the pits then he can't make the call. To counter your stupid point, how well is a pit stop going to go if the pit crew head out and no driver shows up?

If Vettel had switched to a 4 stop he would have been even further behind.

[texasmr2]

You avoid the point about it being more important than ever for this communication to occur (the strategy due to tires needs to be an on-the-fly thing with the tires "going off a cliff" instead of just slight degradation).

Who knows this more than the driver, those sitting on the pit wall 'thumb twiddling'?!?!?!!?!?!

You are also wrong about it being the drivers call.

I'm only wrong .1% of the time yet not this time.
Do some research ok . The driver has always had the final 'say so' as to when they will pit. The 'pit boy's' may have info relayed but what if the tires+setup are actually melding into a better package??

If they just head for the pits without the team being ready, how well is that pitstop gonna go?

Well that is just common sense as they most likely will loose time yet there are many other factor's that determine a loss or a win, how long have you been following F1 or racing in general??? You see what I'm trying to explain to you is that I have seen it all and frankly nobody knows or is 100% correct like is being implicated by you. All we seem to get here is excuse's, explain that scenario ok!

[CarBore]

If Vettel had switched to a 4 stop he would have been even further behind.

Just a small correction, he was on a 2 stop, if hes gone on a 3 stop its quite possible he could have won given he was ahead after the first round of stops and it was within 1-2 laps of the McLarens so tyre wear wouldn't have factored in nearly as much.

Although I do support Vettel, I don't really see a counter argument to the na sayers who claim he has not proved himself in more challenging circumstances.

To my memory he has 2 wins that weren't in the fastest car in the field. Monza 2008 and China 2009, both in the wet. While wet driving does bring out some skill elements they can't dismiss the wins from the front argument.

The best I can do is say wait and see. Vettel undoubtably has a long career in F1 ahead of him to prove whether he belongs in the camp of the strong multi-champions or with the likes of Damon Hill or Jacques Villneuve. Either way I still support him. Everyone who supports others needs to relax RBRs reign can't last forever, AN has to die some time

[acosmichippo]

regardless of his driving skills, he seems like a pretty cool, off-beat kind of guy. I want to hate him, but I can't.

Oh, and let's not forget WHY the McLarens got past him in the first place to put pressure on RBR - the whole reason they decided to go with a 2-stop. He made a horrible start. And you can't blame it on KERS either as his worked fine for the first stint.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to bash. I genuinely like the guy. My point is you can't simply say the tire strategy or radio lost the race for him.

[geetface9]

This is lame...I started a thread as a dedication to a drivers victory and stellar driving...and geetface started one of Webber for drive of the day.

This one exists just to follow suit for the sake of it?

You started a thread as a dedication to a drivers victory and stellar driver...and I started one of Webber's stellar driving from 18th to third.

That one exists to show where the most stellar driving was done, and not from somebody who went 2nd on the starting grid to a win.

[carmonwebber]

We all know who's going to have the longest thread. Anyway, I think I'm going to create one for Narain Karthikeyan.

[The Ram]

Well, if you can create a topic about your favorite driver, so can I.
And, let's be honest, no one deserves it more than the youngest WDC!

he may be the youngest WDC, but he's not the most inexperienced!!

[Hammer278]

This is lame...I started a thread as a dedication to a drivers victory and stellar driving...and geetface started one of Webber for drive of the day.

This one exists just to follow suit for the sake of it?

You started a thread as a dedication to a drivers victory and stellar driver...and I started one of Webber's stellar driving from 18th to third.

That one exists to show where the most stellar driving was done, and not from somebody who went 2nd on the starting grid to a win.

I wasn't critisizing your thread. Could you read my post again please?