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By Big Azza
#282561
Do you really think FP stats are meaningful? Unless you really think Vettel is some driving god who is naturally 2 seconds faster than the likes of Kubica? :rolleyes:


:hehe:

Di Resta beat Vettel in the same car he must be some sort of absolute Zeus or summat!!


care to show those di Resta vs Vettel in same car stats for everyone here? :D


I'm aware of these stats. You don't need to see them! :P:blush:

Scotty [and a lot of the media] are referring to the 2006 Formula 3 Euro Series. But, towards the end of that season, Vettel was focussing on his Fromula One testing which I gloriously harped on about earlier. Here are the stats: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Formula_Three_Euroseries_season

In the season prior, however, Vettel creamed Di Resta, scoring almost twice as many points as him, with Vettel also driving as a rookie in the category. So... That shows that what happened in 2006 in meaningless. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Formula_3_Euro_Series_season

This has been another fan-boy rant from Big Azza, the Forumula1.com Court Jester. :wavey:
By Hammer278
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This has been another fan-boy rant from Big Azza, the Forumula1.com Court Jester. :wavey:[/quote]

Let's not embarrass the persona of 'court jester'. :)
By andrew
#282568
This has been another fan-boy rant from Big Azza, the Forumula1.com Court Jester. :wavey:


At least there were some facts rather than conspiracy. :wink:
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By bud
#282578
This has been another fan-boy rant from Big Azza, the Forumula1.com Court Jester. :wavey:


At least there were some facts rather than conspiracy. :wink:


Technically Wiki is not a reputable source :wink:
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By scotty
#282580
Fair play to Azza at least he's doing the fanboy thing properly and coming up with insubstantial, perhaps irrelevant, and most importantly completely hypothetical excuses as to why his driver got beat fair and square rather than just admitting his guy just wasn't the best that year. :hehe::P
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By Fred_C_Dobbs
#283687
The Kid Who Smoked Everybody

The history of sports is an endless parade of precocious talents. They burst on the scene. They fall. They retire to make a living hawking hair dye.

But on rare occasions, a competitor will arrive to do what's never been done—to plow through all the traffic cones of history. Sometimes these athletes get anointed immediately. Sometimes it takes a while.

As Formula One steers toward season's end, it's probably fair to ask the following question about Germany's Sebastian Vettel: Is this kid the greatest driver in the history of drivers?

The 24-year old Vettel, who races for the Red Bull team, has had a brutally dominant season, winning 11 of 18 races. In a sport where the stopwatch never lies, Vettel has qualified fastest 14 times—tying the all-time record. He's long since wrapped up his second world championship. In Sao Paulo at the season-ending Brazilian Grand Prix, which is Nov. 27, he'll attempt to break the record for poles in a season.

"The exciting thing about Sebastian is he's getting better," said Vettel's boss, Christian Horner, the head of the Red Bull F1 team. "He's still improving. He's still developing as a driver and a young man."

While Nascar has seen its marquee talent, Jimmie Johnson, sink back into the pack after a five-year Sprint Cup championship reign, Vettel is pushing F1 in the other direction.

In motorsport, F1 is the biggest stage. Its teams have the largest budgets and the wildest technology. It also pulls from the world's largest talent pool.

Vettel, who is still in the formative years of his career, has already padded his resume: He's the youngest to drive in an official F1 practice (age 19 and 53 days, at the 2006 Turkish Grand Prix), the youngest to set a fastest lap time in a Grand Prix session (that same day), to score a point, to lead a race, to win pole position, to make the podium at an F1 race and win an F1 race (a spectacular effort in the rain at the 2008 Italian Grand Prix). In 2010 he became the youngest-ever world champion.

He set a record nine seconds into his F1 career when he got fined $1,000 for speeding in the pit lane. "He was a star right out of the gate," said Steve Matchett, a commentator who calls F1 races for the Speed channel.

Is he the best ever? Matchett said the rules and regulations have changed over the years, so it's hard to compare him to other generations, "but what he's done is absolutely phenomenal."

The son of a carpenter from Heppenheim, Vettel came up through the usual path in Europe: karting, followed by the minor leagues of open-wheel racing. By 21 he was already being compared to his childhood hero, Michael Schumacher—the most accomplished racing driver who has ever lived. The fans started calling Vettel "Baby Schumi."

F1 insiders rave about Vettel's ability to bond with his team, his technical savvy and his natural skill and commitment. He's a terrific starter, and he's proven to be a force on all types of tracks, having won this year at Monaco (a slower track with lots of corners) and Monza (F1's fastest circuit with lots of full-throttle straights).

Naysayers counter that Vettel wins consistently because he has the best car. Red Bull, which won the constructors championship this year and last, is leaps and bounds ahead of others.

So where will Vettel stand in the pantheon of greats? Here's a look at seven drivers whose legacies he's chasing.

Juan Manuel Fangio

World Championships: 1951 (Alfa Romeo), 1954 and 1955 (Mercedes), 1956 (Ferrari), 1957 (Maserati) In the cockpit: Known for his courage and skill, no one has won a higher percentage of races entered than El Maestro.

Jimmy Clark

World Championships: 1963, 1965 (Lotus-Ford) In the cockpit: The Scot is the only man to win the F1 title and the Indy 500 in the same year. His career was cut short by a fatal crash in 1968.

Sir Jackie Stewart

World Championships: 1969 (Matra-Ford), 1971 and 1973 (Tyrrell-Ford) In the cockpit: The Flying Scot quit in his prime to protest the number of deaths in F1 during his time.

Niki Lauda

World Championships: 1975 and 1977 (Ferrari), 1984 (McLaren-TAG)In the cockpit: After a 1976 accident at the German Grand Prix, the Austrian regained consciousness to see a priest reading his last rites. Six weeks later, he raced at Monza.

Ayrton Senna

World Championships: 1988, 1990, 1991 (McLaren-Honda)In the cockpit: A recent documentary has revived talk of Senna's greatness. He died in a crash at the 1994 San Marino Grand Prix.

Alain Prost

World Championships: 1985 and 1986 (McLaren-TAG), 1989 (McLaren-Honda), 1993 (Williams-Renault) In the cockpit: Nicknamed the Professor, the analytical Frenchman's first win came in a French car at the 1981 French Grand Prix.

Michael Schumacher

World Championships: 1994 (Benetton-Ford), 1995 (Benetton-Renault), 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 (Ferrari) In the cockpit: Still racing with the Mercedes team at age 42, the German holds the F1 record for most victories, most poles, points, world championships and money.
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By racechick
#283691
Vettel has done amazing things thats for sure, but as yet he's not considered the best of his generation. It's still very much debated who is best out of Vettel, Hamilton and Alonso. Some prefer the skills of one, some the skills of another. And different circumstances allow these three to shine at different times. Most polls Ive seen as to who is the best of these three come out fairly evenly when looking at their whole F1 career. So if you include Vettel at this stage of his career you'd have to include Alonso and Hamilton...or not include all three.
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By LewEngBridewell
#283693
Vettel has done amazing things thats for sure, but as yet he's not considered the best of his generation. It's still very much debated who is best out of Vettel, Hamilton and Alonso. Some prefer the skills of one, some the skills of another. And different circumstances allow these three to shine at different times. Most polls Ive seen as to who is the best of these three come out fairly evenly when looking at their whole F1 career. So if you include Vettel at this stage of his career you'd have to include Alonso and Hamilton...or not include all three.


In Vettel, Hamilton, Button and Alonso, we have a selection of fantastic talent. I just hope they'll be more evenly matched next year. That would be some tremendous racing.
By andrew
#283695
So if you include Vettel at this stage of his career you'd have to include Alonso and Hamilton...or not include all three.


No you don't. I would rate Vettel higher than Alonso and Hamilton, both as a person (seems a nice down to earth chap) and as a driver. In years to come he'll be in Schumachers exclusive club I reckon.

Just think, if the double diffuser business in 2009 had been handled a lot fairer then Vettel would have scored a hat-trick!
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By LewEngBridewell
#283699
So if you include Vettel at this stage of his career you'd have to include Alonso and Hamilton...or not include all three.


No you don't. I would rate Vettel higher than Alonso and Hamilton, both as a person (seems a nice down to earth chap) and as a driver. In years to come he'll be in Schumachers exclusive club I reckon.


Well in F1, you just never know. Vettel may never win another title again, while Vitantonio Liuzzi may reach 10 titles. In a HRT.

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By racechick
#283706
So if you include Vettel at this stage of his career you'd have to include Alonso and Hamilton...or not include all three.


No you don't. I would rate Vettel higher than Alonso and Hamilton, both as a person (seems a nice down to earth chap) and as a driver. In years to come he'll be in Schumachers exclusive club I reckon.

Just think, if the double diffuser business in 2009 had been handled a lot fairer then Vettel would have scored a hat-trick!


YOU dont. Thats the point Im making. I would rate Hamilton over the other two.Other's would put Alonso at the top. And each driver has a case to be there. You cant just say Vettel deserves it over the others because you say so. Jury will be out for some time on those three.
And being a 'nice down to earth chap is neither here nor there. You dont get into the legend league by being 'a nice down to earth chap.
By andrew
#283708
And being a 'nice down to earth chap is neither here nor there. You dont get into the legend league by being 'a nice down to earth chap.


Yes you do. Schuamcher seems a top bloke. As do such other greats as Jackie Stewart, Alain Prost and Niki Lauda to name a few. I saw some interviews with Jim Clark from the 60's and again he seemed a pleasent enough chap. Being an a-hole is not nesessary to get to the top.
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By racechick
#283715
And being a 'nice down to earth chap is neither here nor there. You dont get into the legend league by being 'a nice down to earth chap.


Yes you do. Schuamcher seems a top bloke. As do such other greats as Jackie Stewart, Alain Prost and Niki Lauda to name a few. I saw some interviews with Jim Clark from the 60's and again he seemed a pleasent enough chap. Being an a-hole is not nesessary to get to the top.


Schumacher!!?? How long is your memory? Niki Lauda?? Some nice blokes, some the opposite. Its irrelevant.
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