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[racechick]

Nice piece of work Ferrariman.
I also think Nico has had luck in stewards decisions, but it was interesting to see your points tally.

Another thing to consider, but it won't impact until later in the year, is that Lewis lost an engine, the whole lot went in that fire, everything destroyed. This will likely affect him in tomorrow's race, but more importantly it means he's an engine down and they only have five. He is now more likely to incur a grid drop and if that happens in the double points race , that's it.

[Ferrari man 009]

I also think Nico has had luck in stewards decisions, but it was interesting to see your points tally.

I decided to not include dubious incidents like Monaco and track limits as they aren't 100% clear cut decisions. I added the SC in Germany because that was as clear a SC situation as any and it was frankly stupid that Charlie Whiting put those stewards lives in danger.

But while Lewis has lost out, the biggest losers in my opinion are the fans. This is the 5th race in a row where a mistake or a technical failure has robbed us of what would be a great battle between Nico and Lewis. Its so frustrating as a neutral that one or the other seem to be gifted wins at the moment.

[Cyril Sneer Racing]

In the races where Hamilton made an error,he still scored well, Silverstone, Austria. ( Monaco was Rosberg's error but Hamilton still scored well) Canada his car failed, he would likely have won or second, that's 25 or 18 points. Australia, he'd have won or come Second, that's another 18 or 25 points. Germany worst case second , most likely would have won. Hungary most likely would have won. How many points is that going beginning through no fault of Lewis' ? Rosberg has one DNF to his name. Are you deliberately being obtuse?

Haha, yes, Hamilton is faultless. My mistake.

Rosberg has also had car trouble forcing him to lose points. If we play the 'what if?' scenario why only with one driver? Rosberg lost seven points in at least one of the drives due to brakes. Arguably Hamilton caused his own brake failure through not easing off when his car was in trouble, not to mention all his other mistakes that he's lucked through in having the fastest car.

Quit resorting to personal attacks just because your driver is losing, the lot of you.

WTF????? What personal attacks? Where have I personally attacked you? I'm pointing out the mathematics of having four car failures as opposed to one , a fact you seem unable to grasp.

And when I begin a post with " in the races where Hamilton made errors...." How do you deduce that I am saying he is faultless? Are you actually reading what people write?

It's a personal attack, albeit a veiled one, because after repeatedly being called idiotic you had to make out that I was being 'obtuse' rather than making an argument against what I was saying.


Ferrari man, we could easily say that Rosberg deserved 7 more points in one race and 3 more in another for trouble with the car, power/brake failure in a race he was most likely going to win, and a couple car problems in qualifying, leaving a tie or Rosberg up 3-6 points.

As I have said before, Hamilton is a great driver but he's extremely hot and cold. The way people talk about the matchup Hamilton should be destroying Rosberg; not only is he not doing that, there has been next to no passing, Rosberg has been able to keep distance, has won a lot of the qualifying spots, and Rosberg has won as many races as Hamilton on merit. 7 subjective points is far from a victory.

[Ferrari man 009]

Ferrari man, we could easily say that Rosberg deserved 7 more points in one race and 3 more in another for trouble with the car, power/brake failure in a race he was most likely going to win, and a couple car problems in qualifying, leaving a tie or Rosberg up 3-6 points.

I could have, but he had the same issue that Hamilton had, and at the time of the issues they were side by side exiting the pits. So who knows who would have won. So in my opinion it was -18 for Hamilton and 0 for Rosberg as Nico may have been P2 anyway.

As for the other 3 points, which race was that? Nico has only finished 1st or 2nd, except for Silverstone when he didnt finish...

[Roth]

I saw something similar elsewhere with the three scenarios - what happened, one favouring Nico, and the other Hamilton.

What happened was as we know it obviously. The one favouring Nico had him about the same, and the Hamilton one had him streets ahead.

It was a pretty fair analysis, no axe to grind, and a good reflection on the comparitive luck of each driver. So we already assumed this but it was nice to see somebody actually put it into a tangible form.

[CookinFlat6]

If you consider it a fair analysis, surely they factored in Lewis' mental weakness and Nicos exploitation of that, or are you saying a fair analysis wouldnt contain something you have spent 17 pages defending? or does this mean you no longer think Lewis' mental weakness is a major factor that manifests as bad luck. Surely no analysis of comparative luck of the 2 would ignore the reason for Lewis' bad luck - his mental health

So how do you find something fair that misses out completely on something you have been attempting to stuff down the throats of the Hamilton supporters

[racechick]

In the races where Hamilton made an error,he still scored well, Silverstone, Austria. ( Monaco was Rosberg's error but Hamilton still scored well) Canada his car failed, he would likely have won or second, that's 25 or 18 points. Australia, he'd have won or come Second, that's another 18 or 25 points. Germany worst case second , most likely would have won. Hungary most likely would have won. How many points is that going beginning through no fault of Lewis' ? Rosberg has one DNF to his name. Are you deliberately being obtuse?

Haha, yes, Hamilton is faultless. My mistake.

Rosberg has also had car trouble forcing him to lose points. If we play the 'what if?' scenario why only with one driver? Rosberg lost seven points in at least one of the drives due to brakes. Arguably Hamilton caused his own brake failure through not easing off when his car was in trouble, not to mention all his other mistakes that he's lucked through in having the fastest car.

Quit resorting to personal attacks just because your driver is losing, the lot of you.

WTF????? What personal attacks? Where have I personally attacked you? I'm pointing out the mathematics of having four car failures as opposed to one , a fact you seem unable to grasp.

And when I begin a post with " in the races where Hamilton made errors...." How do you deduce that I am saying he is faultless? Are you actually reading what people write?

It's a personal attack, albeit a veiled one, because after repeatedly being called idiotic you had to make out that I was being 'obtuse' rather than making an argument against what I was saying.


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I have made countless arguments against what you are saying, the last one in the very quote which ends by me asking if you are being obtuse. It was not a personal attack. I can see no other reason for you to constantly deny the facts before you, than that you are being deliberately obtuse. It is not a personal attack veiled or otherwise.

[Cyril Sneer Racing]

Well, I made almost the exact same argument as ferrari man (which you praised), only a few points difference. So I don't know how that is my being 'completely separate from reality' and 'obtuse' when it is only a minor difference.

And you didn't make an argument, all you said was that given no car trouble Hamilton would surely have won, and Hamilton always has bad luck and Rosberg always has good luck. So if anyone is being obtuse it is you lot who want to see Hamilton as so far ahead of Rosberg when he is REALLY behind.

[Cyril Sneer Racing]

"As Hamilton went under the bridge he braked and just locked up, his front end plate hit the wall but didn't come off so he is VERY LUCKY there."

So whatever happens this race we cannot count the Hamilton points.

[CookinFlat6]

"As Hamilton went under the bridge he braked and just locked up, his front end plate hit the wall but didn't come off so he is VERY LUCKY there."

So whatever happens this race we cannot count the Hamilton points.

well we already know you dont know how to count points dont we

[Cyril Sneer Racing]

Yes, since I don't accept your fantasy pool that means I can't count. What an idiotic comment...

[CookinFlat6]

If neither of them had DNFs/car trouble it looks as though Rosberg would still be leading.

It's pretty simple. Rosberg should have another 7 points, meaning that even if Hamilton finished the other race first there would only be a few points difference. But given Hamilton's trouble we can't assume he would finish first.
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Yes, this is really complicated isn't it. If Hamilton had a perfect car he'd have infinite points. And if Maldonado had crash evasion systems he would be leading. If the rest of the field had perfect cars they'd all be crossing the finish line at the exact same time. Why not?

And if my grandmother had wheels...

[Cyril Sneer Racing]

And yet another idiotic comment. You're on a roll!

[CookinFlat6]

And all I'm saying here is there's no reason to call people idiots. Nor does blind praise for the favourite driver mean you have a high IQ. Get over yourself.

[Cyril Sneer Racing]

So you're starting to get it? Phew, you learned something you old mule.