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Lmao sorry I just read that article racechick posted from the Guardian.
"I am like Barack Obama" says Vatenen.
Lmao sorry I just read that article racechick posted from the Guardian.
"I am like Barack Obama" says Vatenen.
well he is in a way. he will be a change todt will be a continuation of the boys club.
Ok racechick and any other of the anti Max detractors.
Here is your chance to prove your comments.
Please post all the details, facts and evidence racechick to support your statement that Max Mosley has 'bought votes'.
This is an ideal place to substantiate these accusations.
Agreed. Bring it.
Here you go then:-
The inconsistent way he has allowed stewards to policeF1
Employing stewards with little F1 knowledge who after making innapropriate judgements(spa) then boast that they will be able to get free drinks and meals in Italy.
Innconsistent and inappropriate penalties to teams he has issues with, no penalties for the same infringements to other teams
Using his position to settle old scores
Allowing Ferrari to race under more favourable conditions than the rest of the grid (extra money payments and veto vote on rule change)
Promising monetary rewards to small countries with little motorsport involvemnent in return for voting him in after his whipping scandal. Countries with huge motorsport involvemnet and traditions only got the same votes as countirs with no involvement, so buying votes was easy.
Setting in place a voting structure whereby any abstension or no show counted as a vote in his favour
And more recently his attemts to make the vote for his successor an unfair vote, here is a quote from an article
"In a letter to Prince Faisal of Jordan, who hosted a conference of 32 national motor sport federation heads in Amman this week, Mosley warned Vatanen's supporters that to vote for the Finn would create an irreparable split in the FIA."
How would it create a split? Does he mean some people will not accept the result of a vote if it goes in Vatanen's favour??
And...
"Vatanen's conviction that support for him is waxing has been endorsed by several who attended the Amman conference. Mishaal Al-Sudairy, who is chairman of the Saudi Arabia Motor Federation, told the Guardian that following the conference in Jordan, 80% of the Arabic countries favour Vatanen – a swing that has been heavily influenced by outrage at Mosley's tone in his letter to a member of Jordan's royal family.
The content and tone of the letter has led to genuine concerns about the credibility of the election process. A resolution of the conference was to write a formal letter to the FIA calling for outside supervision of the vote. "In the interests of democracy, transparency and integrity, we must be sure that this election is held in a fair and open environment through a secret ballot, and under close third-party supervision," said Faisal.
Faisal's fears were underlined by the experience of Uganda's motor sport federation president, Jack Wavamunno, who like Faisal is a senior member of Vatanen's campaign team. "The way in which I was pressurised was inappropriate," he told the conference. "I support Ari because I truly believe he is the best candidate for Uganda and Africa, but I was very saddened with the way that his opposition tried to convince me otherwise through threats and by other means."
Threats????? sounds all above board here to me.
here's the link if you wish to read the whole article.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/oct/02/ari-vatanen-max-mosley-fia
so you saying you like corruption?
I'm saying that I like its place in the world of motorsport in principle. Unfortunately it is riddled with corruption, but it can't really be changed overnight and I doubt Ari would be able to change anything.
I also like the dimension of the FIA in terms of F1. The whole political side of Formula One is just as fascinating as the actual ontrack action in some cases.
Ok racechick and any other of the anti Max detractors.
Here is your chance to prove your comments.
Please post all the details, facts and evidence racechick to support your statement that Max Mosley has 'bought votes'.
This is an ideal place to substantiate these accusations.
Agreed. Bring it.
Here you go then:-
The inconsistent way he has allowed stewards to policeF1
Employing stewards with little F1 knowledge who after making innapropriate judgements(spa) then boast that they will be able to get free drinks and meals in Italy.
Innconsistent and inappropriate penalties to teams he has issues with, no penalties for the same infringements to other teams
Using his position to settle old scores
Allowing Ferrari to race under more favourable conditions than the rest of the grid (extra money payments and veto vote on rule change)
Promising monetary rewards to small countries with little motorsport involvemnent in return for voting him in after his whipping scandal. Countries with huge motorsport involvemnet and traditions only got the same votes as countirs with no involvement, so buying votes was easy.
Setting in place a voting structure whereby any abstension or no show counted as a vote in his favour
And more recently his attemts to make the vote for his successor an unfair vote, here is a quote from an article
"In a letter to Prince Faisal of Jordan, who hosted a conference of 32 national motor sport federation heads in Amman this week, Mosley warned Vatanen's supporters that to vote for the Finn would create an irreparable split in the FIA."
How would it create a split? Does he mean some people will not accept the result of a vote if it goes in Vatanen's favour??
And...
"Vatanen's conviction that support for him is waxing has been endorsed by several who attended the Amman conference. Mishaal Al-Sudairy, who is chairman of the Saudi Arabia Motor Federation, told the Guardian that following the conference in Jordan, 80% of the Arabic countries favour Vatanen – a swing that has been heavily influenced by outrage at Mosley's tone in his letter to a member of Jordan's royal family.
The content and tone of the letter has led to genuine concerns about the credibility of the election process. A resolution of the conference was to write a formal letter to the FIA calling for outside supervision of the vote. "In the interests of democracy, transparency and integrity, we must be sure that this election is held in a fair and open environment through a secret ballot, and under close third-party supervision," said Faisal.
Faisal's fears were underlined by the experience of Uganda's motor sport federation president, Jack Wavamunno, who like Faisal is a senior member of Vatanen's campaign team. "The way in which I was pressurised was inappropriate," he told the conference. "I support Ari because I truly believe he is the best candidate for Uganda and Africa, but I was very saddened with the way that his opposition tried to convince me otherwise through threats and by other means."
Threats????? sounds all above board here to me.
here's the link if you wish to read the whole article.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/oct/02/ari-vatanen-max-mosley-fia
Absolutely nothing in what you have posted is true, it is just a complete unsubstantiated raft of gueswork you have taken from the sensation seeking International media.
I asked for FACTS and EVIDENCE not the opinions of yet another with no idea what the FIA is or what it does.
The letters that Max Mosley has written that you find fault with are completely legal and open to the whole world to read as are the drafts for all the decisions made at the FIA, which incidentaly are on no occasion taken just by the President.
So where are your facts????????????????????????????????
It is for those in the FIA to decide who is suitable for President, not a few F1 fans who think they know how to run the sport but on balance know about as much as Ari Vatanen, which is the square root of f--- all.
In Saudia Arabia women can only drive a vehicle if supervised by a man.
Is this the basis of Vatinens campaign?
so you saying you like corruption?
I'm saying that I like its place in the world of motorsport in principle. Unfortunately it is riddled with corruption, but it can't really be changed overnight and I doubt Ari would be able to change anything.
I also like the dimension of the FIA in terms of F1. The whole political side of Formula One is just as fascinating as the actual ontrack action in some cases.
Yes, the political intrigue and infighting is fascinating. Lots of people like it, particularly in the absence of track action due to the inability of the FIA to clearly clarify the new rules for the season which were to aid overtaking. But people's 'like' of political intrigue is not a good enough reason to perpetuate unfairness, inequality, lack of clarity and dirty dealings. Neither is it a reason to continue the established abuse of power which is currently enjoyed by the president of the FIA.
In Saudia Arabia women can only drive a vehicle if supervised by a man.
Is this the basis of Vatinens campaign?
No doesn't look like it if you look at his campaign policy:
http://www.fia.com/en-GB/the-fia/govern ... policy.pdf
Unless of course you have some inside information about his campaign that he only shares with the close friends and campaign team.
In Saudia Arabia women can only drive a vehicle if supervised by a man.
Is this the basis of Vatinens campaign?
No doesn't look like it if you look at his campaign policy:
http://www.fia.com/en-GB/the-fia/govern ... policy.pdf
Unless of course you have some inside information about his campaign that he only shares with the close friends and campaign team.
I believe he offered the Safari Rally to somebody in Uganda if they voted for him (Vatenen).
I just presumed he would offer to support the policy of supervised women drivers in Saudi?
Sorry.
So it had nothing to do with his demands for a secret ballot then?
Strange democracy but then he is Swedish and very difficult to understand much like his supporters.
so you saying you like corruption?
I'm saying that I like its place in the world of motorsport in principle. Unfortunately it is riddled with corruption, but it can't really be changed overnight and I doubt Ari would be able to change anything.
I also like the dimension of the FIA in terms of F1. The whole political side of Formula One is just as fascinating as the actual ontrack action in some cases.
Yes, the political intrigue and infighting is fascinating. Lots of people like it, particularly in the absence of track action due to the inability of the FIA to clearly clarify the new rules for the season which were to aid overtaking. But people's 'like' of political intrigue is not a good enough reason to perpetuate unfairness, inequality, lack of clarity and dirty dealings. Neither is it a reason to continue the established abuse of power which is currently enjoyed by the president of the FIA.
It was Fota and the big car manufacturers that failed to allow the clarification of new rules. Fota was put together to prevent the development of essential technology like Kers and to prevent the fair entry of new smaller teams.
Many of the Fota team principles who disrupted the FIA rules and damaged F1 are no longer in F1 having either run out of money exactly as Max predicted or having been found out to be the crooks they undoubtedly are. There is no lack of clarity in the FIA dealings and it is only those trying to gain unfair advantage and special treatment who are simply showing sour grapes. Vatanen is a failed Euro trough feeder who has no experience for the FIA post having run absolutely nothing. Compared to Jean Todt he is a pygmy.
In Saudia Arabia women can only drive a vehicle if supervised by a man.
Is this the basis of Vatinens campaign?
No doesn't look like it if you look at his campaign policy:
http://www.fia.com/en-GB/the-fia/govern ... policy.pdf
Unless of course you have some inside information about his campaign that he only shares with the close friends and campaign team.
I believe he offered the Safari Rally to somebody in Uganda if they voted for him (Vatenen).
I just presumed he would offer to support the policy of supervised women drivers in Saudi?
Sorry.
So it had nothing to do with his demands for a secret ballot then?
Strange democracy but then he is Swedish and very difficult to understand much like his supporters.
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