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[bud]

well i got that info direct from the FIA regulations section so who knows what Palmer is on about. seems he saw on the F2's website that the monocoque is designed to the 05 F1 safety regs and assumed that it meant all of F1's safety requirements.

I think he would have more knowledge on it, to be honest - I doubt he wouldn't have a clue about his car.

he isnt apart of the design aspect of the car is he? he is more a manager of the series is he not? he might not know everything to do with the car and could be making statements to take flack away from the series.

[Hexagram]

they skip this FIA F1 reg...

14.7 Wheel retention :
All cars, whilst under their own power, must be fitted with devices which will retain any wheel in the event
of it coming loose.
After the wheel nut is fastened, these devices must be manually fitted in a separate action to that of
securing the wheel nut.
no tethers on an F2 car!!

What a disgrace.

[Denthúl]

well i got that info direct from the FIA regulations section so who knows what Palmer is on about. seems he saw on the F2's website that the monocoque is designed to the 05 F1 safety regs and assumed that it meant all of F1's safety requirements.

I think he would have more knowledge on it, to be honest - I doubt he wouldn't have a clue about his car.

he isnt apart of the design aspect of the car is he? he is more a manager of the series is he not? he might not know everything to do with the car and could be making statements to take flack away from the series.

Whilst this may be true, I seriously doubt that all he has done is read the small description of the car. Palmer is quite knowledgeable when it comes to the FPA cars and I can't see why he wouldn't know the details of the F2. But I guess we will see when the investigations are all complete.

[EwanM]

Do GP2 cars have wheel tethers?

I think, from what I can understand, the cars maybe did have wheel tethers. However they were probably not to F1 standard because they are simply not required in the regulations?

[Amanda]

well according to the FIA regs

ARTICLE 17 : SAFETY EQUIPMENT AND DRIVER INSTALLATION
17.1 Cars must comply with the requirements of Articles 14.1, 14.2, 14.3, 14.4, 14.6, 14.8, and14.9 of the 2009
FIA Formula One Technical Regulations at all times during a race Event or Test.
17.2 The safety belts supplied with the car may not be changed for another type.
17.3 The safety belt fixing system to the monocoque may not be changed or modified.
17.4 The seat shell positioning system must not be modified.
17.5 Padding and minor modifications of the seat shell are allowed for driver’s comfort providing all the
functionality of the seat and its safety equipment is preserved.
17.6 An extraction test may be requested at any time by the FIA technical delegate. The seat must be
removable without the need to cut or remove any of the seat belts.
17.7 When seated normally with his seat belts fastened, the driver’s helmet must be at least at 70mm below a
line drawn between the highest points of the front and rear roll structures.
17.8 In order to ensure that the driver’s head is not unduly exposed and for him to maintain good lateral
visibility he must, when seated normally and looking straight ahead with his head as far back as possible,
have his eye visible when viewed from the side.
17.9 The driver, seated normally with his seat belts fastened and with the steering wheel removed must be able
to raise both legs together so that his knees are past the plane of the steering wheel in the rearward
direction. This action must not be prevented by any part of the car.
17.10 From his normal seating position, with all seat belts fastened and whilst wearing his usual driving
equipment the driver must be able to remove the steering wheel and get out of the car within five seconds
and then replace the steering wheel in a total of ten seconds. For this test, the position of the steered
wheels will be determined by the FIA technical delegate and after the steering wheel has been replaced
steering control must be maintained.
17.11 No less than 85 % of the rear light LEDs must be in order to work at the beginning of every session or
race.

they skip this FIA F1 reg...

14.7 Wheel retention :
All cars, whilst under their own power, must be fitted with devices which will retain any wheel in the event
of it coming loose.
After the wheel nut is fastened, these devices must be manually fitted in a separate action to that of
securing the wheel nut.
no tethers on an F2 car!!

Both Clarke and Surtees lost a wheel in the accident, it seems very coincidental that both tethers would fail. Either they weren't fitted (as the regulations suggest) or they weren't strong enough. Either way, something needs doing.

[Denthúl]

Do GP2 cars have wheel tethers?

I think, from what I can understand, the cars maybe did have wheel tethers. However they were probably not to F1 standard because they are simply not required in the regulations?

According to James Allen, they're identical. There was also an interesting point raised about the strength of tethers - if you make them too strong, you risk creating a situation worse than a wheel coming loose. :/

[Hexagram]

There was also an interesting point raised about the strength of tethers - if you make them too strong, you risk creating a situation worse than a wheel coming loose. :/

*clears throat*

This crash is what made me think about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tn3uCwodJs

Had the suspension come off with the tether working well in this case it may well have killed Kimi.

Edit: Brundle got it wrong aswell, the suspension didn't budge.

[Denthúl]

There was also an interesting point raised about the strength of tethers - if you make them too strong, you risk creating a situation worse than a wheel coming loose. :/

*clears throat*

This crash is what made me think about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tn3uCwodJs

Had the suspension come off with the tether working well in this case it may well have killed Kimi.

Edit: Brundle got it wrong aswell, the suspension didn't budge.

Indeed, and that's a very scary prospect, too, considering how often wheels come loose but don't come off their tethers. It could also have caused issues for the drivers behind Raikkonen had it not stayed attached to the car.

[bud]

oh did you have to bring that race memory back to the fore for me it still hurts
but yeah the tether worked perfectly there, not only did it save Kimi's life who knows where it would have gone next, could have hit another drivers car or even bounced its way into the stadium area.

[Frosty]

Do GP2 cars have wheel tethers?

I think, from what I can understand, the cars maybe did have wheel tethers. However they were probably not to F1 standard because they are simply not required in the regulations?

I think both F2 and GP2 cars are built to F1 safety standards.

[Jamie]

Williams designed the F2 car.

Before someone spoke of Herberts accident at BH.

Here's a link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E3p7abjFxI

As you all now he is still a alive and kicking