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#72384
Bollocks. I've been in several situations where, even as little as five years ago, I'd have been killed outright but thanks to innovations in the safety technology in place I came off with minor injuries. But that doesn't mean it didn't scare the s*** out of me and make me wonder about what could have been. I'm sorry, but an accident like Kubica's is never a "nothing accident" no matter what. Sure, there are safety measures in place, and excellent ones at that in Formula 1, but there is never 100% safety in every situation.

You've clearly misunderstood my previous post, for I did not say Kubica's accident in Canada in 2007 was a 'nothing incident'. As I said before, it was one of the most nasty accidents I've seen in a long time. What are nothing incidents include things such as Hamilton passing him.

I've been in my fair share of nasty incidents as well, but I knew what I was doing was dangerous and was prepared to take the risk. When I did injure myself on several occasions (broken nose, broken wrist, ligament damage) I knew I had nobody to blame but myself. If anything, fear made it more exciting, in a masochistic kind of way. If Kubica feels Formula One is dangerous, he should live with it or retire. You can't do a dangerous activity on your free will and then complain about it being dangerous.


But the acceptable level of danger is only so high. If someone's putting you into an unnecessary danger then, whether or not the sport is fundamentally dangerous, it is still going too far. This, for example, falls into that category:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ykv7dYrGSBs

Had that been Monaco, Frentzen could've ended up injured. As it is, he could've been seriously injured anywhere else on that track, really. That's the kind of thing that is an unnecessary danger and a driver would have every right to complain about that kind of conduct from another driver.

Fortunately we have the white lines on the pit exit today, but that could so easily have happened on Sunday when Massa did that suicidal move on Webber. Oh wait it did happen, Massa hitting Bourdais.
#72385
Bollocks. I've been in several situations where, even as little as five years ago, I'd have been killed outright but thanks to innovations in the safety technology in place I came off with minor injuries. But that doesn't mean it didn't scare the s*** out of me and make me wonder about what could have been. I'm sorry, but an accident like Kubica's is never a "nothing accident" no matter what. Sure, there are safety measures in place, and excellent ones at that in Formula 1, but there is never 100% safety in every situation.

You've clearly misunderstood my previous post, for I did not say Kubica's accident in Canada in 2007 was a 'nothing incident'. As I said before, it was one of the most nasty accidents I've seen in a long time. What are nothing incidents include things such as Hamilton passing him.

I've been in my fair share of nasty incidents as well, but I knew what I was doing was dangerous and was prepared to take the risk. When I did injure myself on several occasions (broken nose, broken wrist, ligament damage) I knew I had nobody to blame but myself. If anything, fear made it more exciting, in a masochistic kind of way. If Kubica feels Formula One is dangerous, he should live with it or retire. You can't do a dangerous activity on your free will and then complain about it being dangerous.


But the acceptable level of danger is only so high. If someone's putting you into an unnecessary danger then, whether or not the sport is fundamentally dangerous, it is still going too far. This, for example, falls into that category:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ykv7dYrGSBs

Had that been Monaco, Frentzen could've ended up injured. As it is, he could've been seriously injured anywhere else on that track, really. That's the kind of thing that is an unnecessary danger and a driver would have every right to complain about that kind of conduct from another driver.

Fortunately we have the white lines on the pit exit today, but that could so easily have happened on Sunday when Massa did that suicidal move on Webber. Oh wait it did happen, Massa hitting Bourdais.


Indeed.

There have been a lot of great, aggressive moves over the past season, but there have been those that have taken things to the verge, too.
#72389
As if F1 isn't dangerous anymore, Wurz was mere inches away from having Coulthard's car take his head off in Australia last year. :rolleyes:
#72390
As if F1 isn't dangerous anymore, Wurz was mere inches away from having Coulthard's car take his head off in Australia last year. :rolleyes:


Really? I haven't seen that incident (although, I also didn't start watching last season until Bahrain).
#72404
As if F1 isn't dangerous anymore, Wurz was mere inches away from having Coulthard's car take his head off in Australia last year. :rolleyes:

I didn't say Formula One was without danger, but all of the rubbish current Formula One drivers are trying to claim is dangerous is pathetic. If Coulthard has his way, we'd have speed limits.
#72415
As if F1 isn't dangerous anymore, Wurz was mere inches away from having Coulthard's car take his head off in Australia last year. :rolleyes:

I didn't say Formula One was without danger, but all of the rubbish current Formula One drivers are trying to claim is dangerous is pathetic. If Coulthard has his way, we'd have speed limits.


ahhhhh thats what cube-heads been doing this season! Demonstrating the dangers of F1 on track!

















































meh :hehe:
#72434
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/m...es-959340.html

Hamilton loses grip in race of nerves

By David Tremayne in Fuji
Monday, 13 October 2008


On a day when Fernando Alonso once again could not believe his good fortune in taking another victory for Renault, Lewis Hamilton left Japan wondering if the wheels were once again falling off his world title campaign at the eleventh hour.


The Englishman had spoken of how his increased maturity as a driver had reduced the pressure he felt going into the Japanese GP with a seven-point lead over arch-rival Felipe Massa of Ferrari. But a moment of impetuosity at the start of the race once again called into question his equanimity.

Hamilton was beaten away by Massa's team-mate Kimi Raikkonen. Though he did not have to beat the Finn, who was only an outsider to retain his crown, Hamilton then staged a very late-braking move going into the first corner, only to run wide across Raikkonen's bows as he discovered, as many of his fellows were about to, that lower than anticipated ambient temperature had reduced the level of grip. Race stewards were already considering whether a penalty was necessary as he slipped back to sixth place, and then he was attacked by Massa going into Turn 11 on the second lap. Hamilton had raced down the inside of Toyota's Jarno Trulli in Turn 10, also passing Massa in the process. But then the Brazilian hit his left rear wheel with his Ferrari's right front, spinning Hamilton down to almost last place. Hamilton pitted for fresh tyres having made flat-spots on his original set during his outbraking move, and McLaren brimmed him with fuel hoping to make up ground as they had after he brushed a wall early in the Monaco GP. There the ploy had worked, but this time he was given a penalty for causing Raikkonen to leave the track in Turn One, and his afternoon was ruined as he trailed home in 12th position.

The attempt to overtake Raikkonen suggested that he is feeling the pressure far more than he has let on in the climax to a world championship fight in which other errors, in Bahrain, Canada and France have offset brilliant drives in Monaco, Britain and Belgium.

"What can I say?" Hamilton said. "It was a bad day. Disappointingly, I didn't make a great start, but I slipstreamed Kimi and went up the inside. I braked a bit late for the first corner, but so did everybody. A lot of cars went wide, and I just went a bit wider than everyone else. Then on the second lap Felipe hit me off. I went on the inside of him and he broke left and hit me pretty hard. It was as deliberate as it could be."

Both men were given drive-through penalties by the stewards for their transgressions, and as Massa fought back to an eventual seventh place, Hamilton saw his advantage over him reduced. His performance raised questions over his ability to withstand pressure, and what made the opening lap move even harder to comprehend was that McLaren team principal Ron Dennis had spoken prior to the race of their strategy being to survive the opening laps by driving cautiously, prior to pushing harder as the race settled down.

At times like these Hamilton has displayed a tendency to leave the circuit early, and yesterday was no exception. Before he left he remained unrepentant and said: "Obviously, I'm not happy after a result like today's – but I'm already getting over it and tomorrow will be another day. There are positives to take from this; I've only lost two points to Felipe in the drivers' championship, so it's definitely not over. Now I'll forget today ever happened and move forward; we've got two more races to go and my target is still to win both of them. I'll move on to next week in China."

Both Alonso and Robert Kubica, who finished second for BMW Sauber after a gripping fight with Raikkonen, admitted to having adventures of their own in that first corner. The Pole led the Spaniard until the first pitstops, then their order was reversed. But Kubica's performance kept him in play as a title contender, albeit 12 points adrift, and removed Raikkonen from the equation as the Finn is now 21 points behind with 20 available should he win the Chinese and Brazilian races.

Whatever Renault have done – or been allowed to do – to their once hopeless R28 has turned it into a rocketship that is suddenly capable of running with the Ferraris, McLarens and BMW Saubers, and the Spaniard was delighted.

"I took the benefit of the excitement at the start," he said, "and put myself behind Robert, which made my race a bit easier. Then I asked the team to put less fuel in to get me ahead of him during the first pit stop and that worked. In that second stint I was in free air, the car was very nice to drive and I was pulling out a nice gap. Part of the victory was in that second stint, for sure, and after that I could control the race to the end."

It was the once mighty Renault team's first back-to-back success since 2006. "Obviously Singapore was very unexpected and there were some special conditions," Alonso added. "but today we had nothing like that and we won again on a circuit that is not particularly good for us. I can't believe it!"

The racing highlight was the battle between Kubica and Raikkonen, which reached its peak on lap 53 as they ran side-by-side until the Pole, who refused to be intimidated by the red car, forced the Finnish champion to abandon his challenge.

"It was a great battle with Kimi for three or four laps," Kubica said. "There is no space to go two cars through turn three and I was on the inside. I didn't back off and actually I nearly went off the track, but I knew I had to survive and I did, and once the tyres were cleaned up I was able to pull away. This is much better than the Canada win. We didn't improve a lot in the last three months, so to be able to beat Ferrari and McLaren – it's amazing!"
#72436
And wasn't it Alonso last year throwing away the races at the start? Ie. Spain and Canada. Has Lewis picked up bad habits?
#72438
Another article by the British press laying into Hamilton wholesale. Massa hardly put in the drive of his life at the weekend and has made countless gaffes this season and in his career.
#72439
Another article by the British press laying into Hamilton wholesale. Massa hardly put in the drive of his life at the weekend and has made countless gaffes this season and in his career.


But we know fine well Massa ain't as good as Hamilton - so when he makes the gaffes it is less surprising.
#72441
Another article by the British press laying into Hamilton wholesale. Massa hardly put in the drive of his life at the weekend and has made countless gaffes this season and in his career.


But we know fine well Massa ain't as good as Hamilton - so when he makes the gaffes it is less surprising.

We don't expect Massa to produce the same moments of genius that Hamilton sometimes does, but Massa is a Formula One veteran, whereas Hamilton is only in his second season.
#72443
Another article by the British press laying into Hamilton wholesale. Massa hardly put in the drive of his life at the weekend and has made countless gaffes this season and in his career.


But we know fine well Massa ain't as good as Hamilton - so when he makes the gaffes it is less surprising.

We don't expect Massa to produce the same moments of genius that Hamilton sometimes does, but Massa is a Formula One veteran, whereas Hamilton is only in his second season.


Veteran status doesn't necessarily mean your great - just ask Giancarlo Fisichella or even Coulthard.
Hamilton has talent and sure he's in his second season - but the things he comes out with makes him want people to perceieve that he is unbeatable. Personally when he mistakes it's priceless. Maybe that's and "auld enemy" thing, but the English press are either up ur arse or :whip: it, if your an English sportsman.
#72444
Another article by the British press laying into Hamilton wholesale. Massa hardly put in the drive of his life at the weekend and has made countless gaffes this season and in his career.


But we know fine well Massa ain't as good as Hamilton - so when he makes the gaffes it is less surprising.

We don't expect Massa to produce the same moments of genius that Hamilton sometimes does, but Massa is a Formula One veteran, whereas Hamilton is only in his second season.


Veteran status doesn't necessarily mean your great - just ask Giancarlo Fisichella or even Coulthard.
Hamilton has talent and sure he's in his second season - but the things he comes out with makes him want people to perceieve that he is unbeatable. Personally when he mistakes it's priceless. Maybe that's and "auld enemy" thing, but the English press are either up ur arse or :whip: it, if your an English sportsman.

I don't mean to say that Massa is a great driver, or should be. What I mean is that he should at least have the experience not to make the mistakes he has.
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