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[nolaquest]

It really doesn't matter if Hamilton was persuaded or even flat out told to lie, he still lied. Had he stuck to the truth he would have saved McLaren from all this official mess. Yes it would have been ugly in the garage or the conference rooms but that would have been behind closed doors and not punishable by the FIA. So IMHO if LH had stuck to his pre and post hearing truthfulness the team would be spared any fines, suspensions etc.
And then we all could hail LH as a true champion and leader, on his way to being one of the true greats of the Jackie Stewart kind. But now we are left to think he is just another spoiled immature child being led by others. He should have stood up and led and he didn't.

[darwin dali]

with this whole Hamilton doing what he was told thing, I wonder where in the rank structure a driver is?

It depends on the driver: compare MS vs. a SB or GF - just no comparison in clout. FA is pretty high up there too as a double WDC and being technically minded. LH coming off his world title of course has AH to double up re. clout in the team, so I'm thinking he's pretty high up there.

[bud]

It really doesn't matter if Hamilton was persuaded or even flat out told to lie, he still lied. Had he stuck to the truth he would have saved McLaren from all this official mess. Yes it would have been ugly in the garage or the conference rooms but that would have been behind closed doors and not punishable by the FIA. So IMHO if LH had stuck to his pre and post hearing truthfulness the team would be spared any fines, suspensions etc.
And then we all could hail LH as a true champion and leader, on his way to being one of the true greats of the Jackie Stewart kind. But now we are left to think he is just another spoiled immature child being led by others. He should have stood up and led and he didn't.

Yep Hamilton is apart of the team he is as much to blame as the guy telling him to lie. Hamilton knew what he was doing and what saying what he said would do to Trulli and Toyota. Alright he thought he deserved 3rd while Trulli didnt but Trulli didnt deserve to get 25 seconds added to his race time.

[darwin dali]

It really doesn't matter if Hamilton was persuaded or even flat out told to lie, he still lied. Had he stuck to the truth he would have saved McLaren from all this official mess. Yes it would have been ugly in the garage or the conference rooms but that would have been behind closed doors and not punishable by the FIA. So IMHO if LH had stuck to his pre and post hearing truthfulness the team would be spared any fines, suspensions etc.
And then we all could hail LH as a true champion and leader, on his way to being one of the true greats of the Jackie Stewart kind. But now we are left to think he is just another spoiled immature child being led by others. He should have stood up and led and he didn't.

Yep Hamilton is apart of the team he is as much to blame as the guy telling him to lie. Hamilton knew what he was doing and what saying what he said would do to Trulli and Toyota. Alright he thought he deserved 3rd while Trulli didnt but Trulli didnt deserve to get 25 seconds added to his race time.

to the both of you.

[kerc]

It really doesn't matter if Hamilton was persuaded or even flat out told to lie, he still lied. Had he stuck to the truth he would have saved McLaren from all this official mess. Yes it would have been ugly in the garage or the conference rooms but that would have been behind closed doors and not punishable by the FIA. So IMHO if LH had stuck to his pre and post hearing truthfulness the team would be spared any fines, suspensions etc.
And then we all could hail LH as a true champion and leader, on his way to being one of the true greats of the Jackie Stewart kind. But now we are left to think he is just another spoiled immature child being led by others. He should have stood up and led and he didn't.

You are absolutely right. It's a shame.

[nolaquest]

No one's saying he's exonerated. No one's saying what he did isnt wrong. A 14 year old may point out he is in the wrong but I doubt his/her life experiences really qualify him/her to pass judgement on why hamilton did what he did.

I fail to see how his reason for lying (the 'why') has any relevance to whether it was justified or even defensible. It may sound harsh but really the lie is in direct relation to the sport, not his personal life. And while lying to the press about your girlfriend or even cheating on your wife might be offensive enough for some but not others it is not lying to cheat for an extra 2 points. So let's not give him a pass or then there really is no point to having any sporting regs. Should the FIA not treat all liars the same they run the risk of becoming a joke (more of a joke at this stage) and the sport will suffer (further).

[racechick]

No one's saying he's exonerated. No one's saying what he did isnt wrong. A 14 year old may point out he is in the wrong but I doubt his/her life experiences really qualify him/her to pass judgement on why hamilton did what he did.

I fail to see how his reason for lying (the 'why') has any relevance to whether it was justified or even defensible. It may sound harsh but really the lie is in direct relation to the sport, not his personal life. And while lying to the press about your girlfriend or even cheating on your wife might be offensive enough for some but not others it is not lying to cheat for an extra 2 points. So let's not give him a pass or then there really is no point to having any sporting regs. Should the FIA not treat all liars the same they run the risk of becoming a joke (more of a joke at this stage) and the sport will suffer (further).

Im not saying that (the why) should allow him to be exonerated , Im saying it offers insight.Yes the FIA should deal with lies. And as you say they should deal with them "ALL THE SAME" They dont.

[EwanM]

It really doesn't matter if Hamilton was persuaded or even flat out told to lie, he still lied. Had he stuck to the truth he would have saved McLaren from all this official mess. Yes it would have been ugly in the garage or the conference rooms but that would have been behind closed doors and not punishable by the FIA. So IMHO if LH had stuck to his pre and post hearing truthfulness the team would be spared any fines, suspensions etc.
And then we all could hail LH as a true champion and leader, on his way to being one of the true greats of the Jackie Stewart kind. But now we are left to think he is just another spoiled immature child being led by others. He should have stood up and led and he didn't.

Yep Hamilton is apart of the team he is as much to blame as the guy telling him to lie. Hamilton knew what he was doing and what saying what he said would do to Trulli and Toyota. Alright he thought he deserved 3rd while Trulli didnt but Trulli didnt deserve to get 25 seconds added to his race time.

to the both of you.

Indeed there really is no case to support Hamilton. He does not deserve to go unpunished. Especially if Mclaren are sunk. (Oh I wanna play Battleships now)

[racechick]

It really doesn't matter if Hamilton was persuaded or even flat out told to lie, he still lied. Had he stuck to the truth he would have saved McLaren from all this official mess. Yes it would have been ugly in the garage or the conference rooms but that would have been behind closed doors and not punishable by the FIA. So IMHO if LH had stuck to his pre and post hearing truthfulness the team would be spared any fines, suspensions etc.
And then we all could hail LH as a true champion and leader, on his way to being one of the true greats of the Jackie Stewart kind. But now we are left to think he is just another spoiled immature child being led by others. He should have stood up and led and he didn't.

Yep Hamilton is apart of the team he is as much to blame as the guy telling him to lie. Hamilton knew what he was doing and what saying what he said would do to Trulli and Toyota. Alright he thought he deserved 3rd while Trulli didnt but Trulli didnt deserve to get 25 seconds added to his race time.

to the both of you.

Indeed there really is no case to support Hamilton. He does not deserve to go unpunished. Especially if Mclaren are sunk. (Oh I wanna play Battleships now)

[Trigger]

lol chick

[Denthúl]

It really doesn't matter if Hamilton was persuaded or even flat out told to lie, he still lied. Had he stuck to the truth he would have saved McLaren from all this official mess. Yes it would have been ugly in the garage or the conference rooms but that would have been behind closed doors and not punishable by the FIA. So IMHO if LH had stuck to his pre and post hearing truthfulness the team would be spared any fines, suspensions etc.
And then we all could hail LH as a true champion and leader, on his way to being one of the true greats of the Jackie Stewart kind. But now we are left to think he is just another spoiled immature child being led by others. He should have stood up and led and he didn't.

Yep Hamilton is apart of the team he is as much to blame as the guy telling him to lie. Hamilton knew what he was doing and what saying what he said would do to Trulli and Toyota. Alright he thought he deserved 3rd while Trulli didnt but Trulli didnt deserve to get 25 seconds added to his race time.

to the both of you.

Indeed there really is no case to support Hamilton. He does not deserve to go unpunished. Especially if Mclaren are sunk. (Oh I wanna play Battleships now)

It's now quite clear that you've reached the state where you have fallen for the ploy.

[darwin dali]

It really doesn't matter if Hamilton was persuaded or even flat out told to lie, he still lied. Had he stuck to the truth he would have saved McLaren from all this official mess. Yes it would have been ugly in the garage or the conference rooms but that would have been behind closed doors and not punishable by the FIA. So IMHO if LH had stuck to his pre and post hearing truthfulness the team would be spared any fines, suspensions etc.
And then we all could hail LH as a true champion and leader, on his way to being one of the true greats of the Jackie Stewart kind. But now we are left to think he is just another spoiled immature child being led by others. He should have stood up and led and he didn't.

Yep Hamilton is apart of the team he is as much to blame as the guy telling him to lie. Hamilton knew what he was doing and what saying what he said would do to Trulli and Toyota. Alright he thought he deserved 3rd while Trulli didnt but Trulli didnt deserve to get 25 seconds added to his race time.

to the both of you.

Indeed there really is no case to support Hamilton. He does not deserve to go unpunished. Especially if Mclaren are sunk. (Oh I wanna play Battleships now)

It's now quite clear that you've reached the state where you have fallen for the ploy.

...and drunk the Kool-aid

[racechick]

It really doesn't matter if Hamilton was persuaded or even flat out told to lie, he still lied. Had he stuck to the truth he would have saved McLaren from all this official mess. Yes it would have been ugly in the garage or the conference rooms but that would have been behind closed doors and not punishable by the FIA. So IMHO if LH had stuck to his pre and post hearing truthfulness the team would be spared any fines, suspensions etc.
And then we all could hail LH as a true champion and leader, on his way to being one of the true greats of the Jackie Stewart kind. But now we are left to think he is just another spoiled immature child being led by others. He should have stood up and led and he didn't.

Yep Hamilton is apart of the team he is as much to blame as the guy telling him to lie. Hamilton knew what he was doing and what saying what he said would do to Trulli and Toyota. Alright he thought he deserved 3rd while Trulli didnt but Trulli didnt deserve to get 25 seconds added to his race time.

to the both of you.

Indeed there really is no case to support Hamilton. He does not deserve to go unpunished. Especially if Mclaren are sunk. (Oh I wanna play Battleships now)

It's now quite clear that you've reached the state where you have fallen for the ploy.

...and drunk the Kool-aid

Are you and Ewman in collusion here???

[Tony_sa]

Hey Anna .. they being pretty hard on the poor little guy - dont you think?

[EwanM]

See this is what I don't get with some posters on here. I am often puzzled as to where their loyalties lie. Is it with Mclaren as a team or is it with Hamilton himself? If it is the latter, do you simply jump on the Mclaren bandwagon because he drives for them? Seems so.
I don't know how these fans can post on here and constantly defend Lewis Hamilton and his actions. Why are you putting one man over the hundreds of employees working for Mclaren? Why should he be allowed to walk off Scot free while the team are forced to completely bite the bullet?
Why should a man who has been part of the company for longer than most of us here have been alive, be forced out and used seemingly as a scapegoat to either cover up botched mismanagement or the actions of their driver?
You call all carry on waving the Mclaren banner when it suits you - wearing the merchandise, sounding off on this and that, but this whole incident has shown me which users really do care about Mclaren and would put the team infront of any overpaid superstar driver.
If Hamilton leaves this year, or whenever it may be, don't post on here waving your (what ever team he chooses) .