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[racechick]

He didn't lose the argument, you didn't even have one did you?

The point is if the narrow track as you say, does not constitute a good place to have chances to overtake, they might as well scrap this sh*t of the calendar. This is motor racing, not a freakin' parade. If the stewards aren't prepared to see some harder racing and more collisions (which DOES happen in open wheel racing), then they should just scrap this location.

But no its the 'crown jewel' of F1, so what does this mean, we see cars going round and round following each other? Then why not hand out the bloody points after qualifying is over? What should be done is to see this track as a high attrition race track due to the proximity of the cars with walls, and just suck it up and go racing.

Here here.
Monaco is steeped in history and its good from that point of view, but its not good enough to not allow racing. Its not that special.

[myownalias]

I would also like to remind everyone that back in the day; if a collision did happen because of one driver not yielding or another driver being over ambitious it would result in both drivers being out because of damage, stalling the car or ending up in the gravel trap. These days that isn't the case; in modern F1 often clattering into your rival will result in little to no damage as modern F1 cars are very strong which allows for stock car racing mentality; that was proved at Monaco by Lewis Hamilton, bring back gravel traps and cars that break easier and ditch anti-stall devices and I won't complain as much as both drivers will more than likely be out of the race. For the attacking driver in most cases, damage is very minimal while the defending driver is punted off!

[F1er]

He didn't lose the argument, you didn't even have one did you?

The point is if the narrow track as you say, does not constitute a good place to have chances to overtake, they might as well scrap this sh*t of the calendar. This is motor racing, not a freakin' parade. If the stewards aren't prepared to see some harder racing and more collisions (which DOES happen in open wheel racing), then they should just scrap this location.

But no its the 'crown jewel' of F1, so what does this mean, we see cars going round and round following each other? Then why not hand out the bloody points after qualifying is over? What should be done is to see this track as a high attrition race track due to the proximity of the cars with walls, and just suck it up and go racing.

[f1ea]

Stop go? Drive through at most.

oops, yeah i meant drive through

The Maldonado move was just a stop-go waiting to happen.

That's what I love about the sport, such a difference of opinion, funny that Williams disagrees with your assessment of that move.

That's the Williams people being humble an unheated about it. Its called correct PR.

He didn't lose the argument,

he said that himself

The point is if the narrow track as you say, does not constitute a good place to have chances to overtake, they might as well scrap this sh*t of the calendar. This is motor racing, not a freakin' parade. If the stewards aren't prepared to see some harder racing and more collisions (which DOES happen in open wheel racing), then they should just scrap this location.

Monaco is Monaco. It is particular because of the way it is. Why scrapped??
there were several overtakes, this yr, the year before and in all of its history. But as soon as someone goes over-eager in Monaco, out of frustration, desperation, over confidence whatever... they lose it. Its very simple.

The "fans" may want harder racing, more collisions, more overtakes.... but i'd prefer to see good moves from drivers who have a clear head and know what they are doing, not this all out move over or else stuff.

The stewards do allow racing. What they dont allow (seemingly), is drivers going for moves that almost guarantee a collision. How difficult is that to see?

[bud]

Monaco shouldn't be scrapped, part of the enigma of the place is a mistake ends up in the wall. To pass there is hard but you can pressure the car infront into a mistake, just as Lewis did with Massa in the tunnel.

But his move on Massa at the hairpin warranted a penalty, I think Heidfeld and Alonso have both gotten penalties there for the same move in previous races.

[darwin dali]

I would also like to remind everyone that back in the day; if a collision did happen because of one driver not yielding or another driver being over ambitious it would result in both drivers being out because of damage, stalling the car or ending up in the gravel trap. These days that isn't the case; in modern F1 often clattering into your rival will result in little to no damage as modern F1 cars are very strong which allows for stock car racing mentality; that was proved at Monaco by Lewis Hamilton, bring back gravel traps and cars that break easier and ditch anti-stall devices and I won't complain as much as both drivers will more than likely be out of the race. For the attacking driver in most cases, damage is very minimal while the defending driver is punted off!

Hm, gravel traps in Monaco - how intriguing. Maybe we could have them in the shape of a yacht and if the driver is unfortunate enough to stumble beyond the gravel trap yacht, he'll fall off a steep cliff.
That'll teach them boyz to behave on track!

[myownalias]

I would also like to remind everyone that back in the day; if a collision did happen because of one driver not yielding or another driver being over ambitious it would result in both drivers being out because of damage, stalling the car or ending up in the gravel trap. These days that isn't the case; in modern F1 often clattering into your rival will result in little to no damage as modern F1 cars are very strong which allows for stock car racing mentality; that was proved at Monaco by Lewis Hamilton, bring back gravel traps and cars that break easier and ditch anti-stall devices and I won't complain as much as both drivers will more than likely be out of the race. For the attacking driver in most cases, damage is very minimal while the defending driver is punted off!

Hm, gravel traps in Monaco - how intriguing. Maybe we could have them in the shape of a yacht and if the driver is unfortunate enough to stumble beyond the gravel trap yacht, he'll fall off a steep cliff.
That'll teach them boyz to behave on track!

In monaco, they need to remove the armco barrier around the swimming pool and habour sections... that'll stop the stupid overtaking moves!

[racechick]

I would also like to remind everyone that back in the day; if a collision did happen because of one driver not yielding or another driver being over ambitious it would result in both drivers being out because of damage, stalling the car or ending up in the gravel trap. These days that isn't the case; in modern F1 often clattering into your rival will result in little to no damage as modern F1 cars are very strong which allows for stock car racing mentality; that was proved at Monaco by Lewis Hamilton, bring back gravel traps and cars that break easier and ditch anti-stall devices and I won't complain as much as both drivers will more than likely be out of the race. For the attacking driver in most cases, damage is very minimal while the defending driver is punted off!

Hm, gravel traps in Monaco - how intriguing. Maybe we could have them in the shape of a yacht and if the driver is unfortunate enough to stumble beyond the gravel trap yacht, he'll fall off a steep cliff.
That'll teach them boyz to behave on track!

In monaco, they need to remove the armco barrier around the swimming pool and habour sections... that'll stop the stupid overtaking moves!

Or they could devise a track that runs round the top of all the high rise buildings, that would stop the blighters overtaking, darn them!

[What's Burning?]

The Maldonado move was just a stop-go waiting to happen.

That's what I love about the sport, such a difference of opinion, funny that Williams disagrees with your assessment of that move.

That's the Williams people being humble an unheated about it. Its called correct PR.

That's your story and your sticking with it! I love the difference of opinion. Although it's my belief that opinion is all a matter of POV, I wonder what you'd be saying though, had that red flag not occurred and it the very same spot, on the penultimate lap, Alonso get's by Vettel in the same fashion Lewis passes Maldonado.

Vettle crashes, Ferrari WINS!

But then the stewards give Alonso a 20 second penalty and the race victory is handed to button. So maybe I don't need to wonder what you'd be saying because you'd remain steadfastly consistent.

But his move on Massa at the hairpin warranted a penalty, I think Heidfeld and Alonso have both gotten penalties there for the same move in previous races.

Agreed, and di Resta a few laps earlier so the precedence had been set.

[f1ea]

Monaco shouldn't be scrapped, part of the enigma of the place is a mistake ends up in the wall. To pass there is hard but you can pressure the car infront into a mistake, just as Lewis did with Massa in the tunnel.

But his move on Massa at the hairpin warranted a penalty, I think Heidfeld and Alonso have both gotten penalties there for the same move in previous races.

Exactly.
Everyone crashes in Monaco. i dont know what's the big deal.

That's your story and your sticking with it! I love the difference of opinion. Although it's my belief that opinion is all a matter of POV, I wonder what you'd be saying though, had that red flag not occurred and it the very same spot, on the penultimate lap, Alonso get's by Vettel in the same fashion Lewis passes Maldonado.

Vettle crashes, Ferrari WINS!

But then the stewards give Alonso a 20 second penalty and the race victory is handed to button. So maybe I don't need to wonder what you'd be saying because you'd remain stead fastly consistent.

You're supposing one thing, then supposing the other... and then supposing my reaction. That's fun.

Here here.
Monaco is steeped in history and its good from that point of view, but its not good enough to not allow racing. Its not that special.

Please define racing........

[What's Burning?]

That's your story and your sticking with it! I love the difference of opinion. Although it's my belief that opinion is all a matter of POV, I wonder what you'd be saying though, had that red flag not occurred and it the very same spot, on the penultimate lap, Alonso get's by Vettel in the same fashion Lewis passes Maldonado.

Vettle crashes, Ferrari WINS!

But then the stewards give Alonso a 20 second penalty and the race victory is handed to button. So maybe I don't need to wonder what you'd be saying because you'd remain steadfastly consistent.

You're supposing one thing, then supposing the other... and then supposing my reaction. That's fun.

Well then you're welcomed to simply suppose your answer. But don't mind me, why discuss what we already know the answer to.

[f1ea]

Well then you're welcomed to simply suppose your answer. But don't mind me, why discuss what we already know the answer to.

Ferrari people slam TV's... not build conspiracy theories and ask for a gp to be scratched on the basis of a mediocre weekend.

[acosmichippo]

Easy to say when you have no real chance of winning anyway.

[darwin dali]

Easy to say when you have no real chance of winning anyway.

A bit harsh

[What's Burning?]

Well then you're welcomed to simply suppose your answer. But don't mind me, why discuss what we already know the answer to.

Ferrari people slam TV's... not build conspiracy theories and ask for a gp to be scratched on the basis of a mediocre weekend.

Not sure which question you're supposing an answer to here, I wasn't aware there was a conspiracy theory. I will take it as a resounding YES, that you'd feel the very same way you're expressing if Alonso, having passed Vettel in the same manner Hamilton passed Maldonado was penalized 20 seconds effectively handing a Ferrari GP win to Button.