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[Hammer278]

It doesn't matter if it was on the 1st or last lap of the race...the white line indicates the 'edge' of the track and Rubens was pushed until nearly all four wheels were PAST the line...only he couldn't go further because the frickin wall was there. MS literally drove Rubens of the track. 10 place penalty is a good start but I would've banned him for one race.

[billindenver]

It doesn't matter if it was on the 1st or last lap of the race...the white line indicates the 'edge' of the track and Rubens was pushed until nearly all four wheels were PAST the line...only he couldn't go further because the frickin wall was there. MS literally drove Rubens of the track. 10 place penalty is a good start but I would've banned him for one race.

Would you apply that ban penalty equally to anyone who drove a competitor off the track?

The penalty fits the crime. Had he actually crashed Rubens...that would be a different matter. Can't penalize what might have happened. I kinda wish Rubens had given him a wheel, catapulted Shuey into the air (Webber style) and sent Shuey off in an ambulance...but, alas....that was not the case. A driver was forced off track, no damage caused....10 spot penalty given. End of.

[Hammer278]

No, the ban would be due to this being approximately the 200th time Schumacher has done a move like this and gotten away with it.

A 10 spot penalty does fit this particular crime but he has done more just this season alone (making contact with nearly every car which raced with him in Canada, eg. breaking Massa's wing on the back straight)

[LQgent]

The 10 grid place penalty is a joke. MS should have received a 1-2 race ban at the least. What will it take for the FIA to stop this idiot's tactics serious injury or death of another driver , this is not new for MS. As for the grudging apology ...... insincere too little too late. I think he must be using Mel Gibson's PR consultants.

Ross Brawn made an bottom of himself defending the move saying MS had not seen Ruben when it was clear he was tracking time in his mirrors all the way. What you have to say now Ross post apology ???????

[Jabberwocky]

It doesn't matter if it was on the 1st or last lap of the race...the white line indicates the 'edge' of the track and Rubens was pushed until nearly all four wheels were PAST the line...only he couldn't go further because the frickin wall was there. MS literally drove Rubens of the track. 10 place penalty is a good start but I would've banned him for one race.

Would you apply that ban penalty equally to anyone who drove a competitor off the track?

The penalty fits the crime. Had he actually crashed Rubens...that would be a different matter. Can't penalize what might have happened. I kinda wish Rubens had given him a wheel, catapulted Shuey into the air (Webber style) and sent Shuey off in an ambulance...but, alas....that was not the case. A driver was forced off track, no damage caused....10 spot penalty given. End of.

Nice to see that you "kinda wish" to see someone sent away in a hospital, very sporting.

[Amanda]

I've only just caught up on the BBC F1 Forum but I think Alex Wurz's comments hit the nail on the head for me, he didn't mince his words one bit.

[racechick]

I've only just caught up on the BBC F1 Forum but I think Alex Wurz's comments hit the nail on the head for me, he didn't mince his words one bit.

Yes he was cool, no mincing there!!

[Jabberwocky]

what did Wurtz say?

[the_fubar83]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that schumachers' actions weren't as bad as what everybody is saying.
Here is the argument for schumacher:
1: There was no accident:- I know that isn't the most convincing argument but when you are said to be one of the best drivers in the world in one of the fiercest categories of motorsport there will be times in which you will place you car so close to causing an accident without actually causing an accident. This is what schumacher did. It was bloody close but it still wasn't an accident.
2: Schumacher left him just enough room:- If schumacher didn't leave barrichello enough room barrichello wouldn't have got past. As a racing driver schumacher only had to give him a car width. This kind of goes hand in hand with my previous argument. I can't remember the exact details but i seem to remember one particular incident at catalunya between alsonso and webber where webber pushed alonso all the way in to the pit exit lane and even on to the grass when alonso was attempting to overtake webber..... (remember webber than came diving back up the inside to retake the position).


3: They were fighting for the final points position:- Marting brundle said only a couple of laps before the incident that barrichello would either finish 10th or crashing trying. Brundle also said that barrichello would just stick it up the inside of schumacher and make schumacher miss him. Now if that was the mind set of barrichello fighting for the last points paying position why should michael schumacher have a different mindset defending the last points paying decision. There is a world of difference between 10th and 11th. If martin brundle expects someone to make a kamakazi move to gain a position surely he could expect someone to make a kamakazi move when defending a position.

That's all i can think of right now but i love formula 1 and i ove discussing this stuff. And whilst i expect to cop a hiding from a lot of people by siding with schumacher i hope we can keep it constructive. I am open to changing my stance given the right argument.
Let it be known that i am not a schumacher fan so my point of view is not a biased one. I am australian and therefore a staunch webber fan.
Cheers

enough room, huh?

he got past so obviously there was.

[Amanda]

what did Wurtz say?

It's at 1:12:40 on the forum
http://beta.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b ... rix_Forum/

"Just a too dangerous move. It was far over the line of any driver conduct in a sporting code. As an ex driver or driver, a person involved, I am actually not at all happy with this move Michael did for a few obvious reasons. Michael drove along and had his head pointed towards the mirror for at least 200m, he's a 7 time world champion, he knew exactly what he was doing, he did it absolutely deliberately. To drive an ex colleauge, it doesn't matter to who he's doing it, almost into the wall. If there is a collision it can be fatal, parts can fly into the spectators and this is not what the sport needs and that's not what I expect of a 7 times world champion - To show young kids, to show the world, to show racing. It's just really over the line in my opinion.

You have to drive with your elbows out but there are some lines you shouldn't cross and he crossed it and therefore I think I'm a bit emotional about it because I can relate to Rubens, I can relate to the situation but this line cannot be crossed and if you let someone cross it once, other people will do it and then we all end up in just a too dangerous activity and that's not what we want."

When asked about what the Stewards may do
"In this case I think the best tv feed is that Michael is looking all the time in his right mirror and then it's quite simple. If Michael hasn't seen what's happening behind him, the car shouldn't be legal because a mirror has to function as a mirror. If Michael doesn't know what's happenening behind him and the mirrors work then he should see a doctor and maybe not have the F1 super licence. But I think he exactly knew what was going on and therefore this move was just unacceptable."

He seemed quite livid about the whole situation.

[MAD MAX]

Sir Jackie gets it right http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/190807/F1-Stewart-slams-Michael-Schumacher-move

[vaptin]

This is the first time Sumacher's actually been punished for being over aggressive to other drivers, I think ex drivers as Stewards has really helped.

[SaintDean]

Quite funny how it went, schumacher was like im not apologizing, but when he gets home and mum finds out hes brought out to the front gate and forced to apologized before getting a clip round the ear hole.

[myownalias]

We can debate back and forth but the decision has been made and Schumacher got punished for his actions; the man himself even admitted he had crossed the line, end of!

[billindenver]

We can debate back and forth but the decision has been made and Schumacher got punished for his actions; the man himself even admitted he had crossed the line, end of!