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[AlonsoFan1]

Let's face it, Ferrari needs F1, and F1 needs Ferrari. They are just inseperable, and there's no way in the world I think Ferrari would quit. Just imagine the amount of fans the sport would lose, and the revenue from purchased merchandise. They're just doing the extreme to get that budget cap either upped, or removed.

...I hope.

[Frosty]

Let's face it, Ferrari needs F1, and F1 needs Ferrari. They are just inseperable, and there's no way in the world I think Ferrari would quit. Just imagine the amount of fans the sport would lose, and the revenue from purchased merchandise. They're just doing the extreme to get that budget cap either upped, or removed.

...I hope.

I don't think they need F1 as much as some people think they do.

[cap-dude]

Ferrari won't quit It's a ridiculous thought.

It's all simply to give the FIA a little bit of motivation so the teams can get their own way, and rightly so. The FIA are ignorant and stubborn. The teams, not just Ferrari, are showing some backbone. They aren't going to actually quit, but they know the FIA would never risk such a thing.

Anyways, it's all politics. Something I'm not fond of in F1 and frankly there's too much of it.

[racechick]

I think there's plent of people could step in and run a system more fairly and efficietly than Benie and Max. What other big business enterprise could get away with the stunts theyve been pulling over the last few years? Theyve gone too far. Gready, power crazed, lying ,hypocrites. Time for a change.

[Jensonb]

Let's face it, Ferrari needs F1, and F1 needs Ferrari. They are just inseperable, and there's no way in the world I think Ferrari would quit. Just imagine the amount of fans the sport would lose, and the revenue from purchased merchandise. They're just doing the extreme to get that budget cap either upped, or removed.

...I hope.

I don't think they need F1 as much as some people think they do.

On the contrary, they need it more than people think they do.

[Gilles 27]

Ferrari doesn't need F1 as much as F1 currently needs F1 but if Ferrari stayed out for a while and no-one else followed Ferrari out of the sport then Ferrari would loose more from its absence than the sport would in the long run.

[Jensonb]

The argument goes that Ferrari is deeply ingrained in F1's DNA because they are the only team with continuous involvement from the birth of the World Championship. What people are failing to recognise is that the same argument very much works in reverse. To a lot of people, what Ferrari does is F1 racing. It's a core part of their identity, a key component of their DNA.

Walking out hurts them for all the same reasons it hurts the sport.

[Gilles 27]

yeh but F1 has contracts with tracks and stuff that are signed on the basis that Ferrari are going to show up. Even in the 1950s, it wasn't considered an important race unless Ferrari showed up. Ferrari can bestow that kind of validity on another race series if they manage to take a few others with them. Ferrari have always been a race team, they just went with the option that made them the most money in the end, especially as in the1950s, it looked like endurance racing might get banned in a few countries and Ford (Lola really) went and ruined the party for Ferrari at Le Mans

[McLaren Fan]

Hmm. I'm not so sure. Nobody is bigger than the sport - driver or team. Sure, Ferrari are a legendary marque and it would be very disappointing not to have them, but Formula One could survive without them. When Senna died, all the doom mongers were saying, and with quite some authority, that Formula One was finished. Fifteen years later, the sport is bigger than ever.

[Jensonb]

yeh but F1 has contracts with tracks and stuff that are signed on the basis that Ferrari are going to show up.

Ferrari has contracts with suppliers and sponsors which require their entry into the Formula One World Championship. They have a contract with Formula One that requires the same.

It's tit for tat.

[Frosty]

Hmm. I'm not so sure. Nobody is bigger than the sport - driver or team. Sure, Ferrari are a legendary marque and it would be very disappointing not to have them, but Formula One could survive without them. When Senna died, all the doom mongers were saying, and with quite some authority, that Formula One was finished. Fifteen years later, the sport is bigger than ever.

The financial and contractual problems that would be caused if Ferrari, Red Bull and Toyota left would be quite immediately damaging to the sport. If those contracts and agreements were not in place I would not hesitate to say that F1 can go on without Ferrari but because they are I'm not sure at all.

[Jensonb]

Hmm. I'm not so sure. Nobody is bigger than the sport - driver or team. Sure, Ferrari are a legendary marque and it would be very disappointing not to have them, but Formula One could survive without them. When Senna died, all the doom mongers were saying, and with quite some authority, that Formula One was finished. Fifteen years later, the sport is bigger than ever.

The financial and contractual problems that would be caused if Ferrari, Red Bull and Toyota left would be quite immediately damaging to the sport. If those contracts and agreements were not in place I would not hesitate to say that F1 can go on without Ferrari but because they are I'm not sure at all.

Maybe so, but the fact is Ferrari ain't going anywhere.

[brawngpteam.com]

We're losing:

Big Red, BMW, Toyota, Red Bull, Toro Rosso, probably Renault.

We're keeping:

McLaren, Williams, Force India and Brawn.

We're potentially gaining:

US Formula 1 Team, Lola, Aston Martin/ProDrive, iSport, Unknown American Team (Penske/Andretti Green/Other), To-be-named Spanish Team and possibly more.

A net change of approximately...Zero.

Yeah, this isn't a big deal.

I wonder if they new teams requested for the budget cap and that is one of their conditions of entry into the championship. If that is the case, then Bernie and his crew have to figure out if F1 can survive without the big teams...

[Frosty]

Hmm. I'm not so sure. Nobody is bigger than the sport - driver or team. Sure, Ferrari are a legendary marque and it would be very disappointing not to have them, but Formula One could survive without them. When Senna died, all the doom mongers were saying, and with quite some authority, that Formula One was finished. Fifteen years later, the sport is bigger than ever.

The financial and contractual problems that would be caused if Ferrari, Red Bull and Toyota left would be quite immediately damaging to the sport. If those contracts and agreements were not in place I would not hesitate to say that F1 can go on without Ferrari but because they are I'm not sure at all.

Maybe so, but the fact is Ferrari ain't going anywhere.

So I guess you think the FIA will buckle?

[Jensonb]

I wonder if they new teams requested for the budget cap and that is one of their conditions of entry into the championship. If that is the case, then Bernie and his crew have to figure out if F1 can survive without the big teams...

All of them want to run Capped.

So I guess you think the FIA will buckle?

Certainly not. Either they both will or The Scuderia will.