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[racechick]

Well they were bannd retrospectively from Australia, they lost all their points. Mosley was/is head of an organisation in a position of power where he passes judgment on others as such he should behave in a manner befitting his role. Joe Public may never have heard of him until they saw his naked bottom being whipped, not a good introduction to a family sport. (F1 that is not bottom whipping!!) Puts it straight into disrepute I'd say from the perspective of the casual observer.

Two wrongs do not make a right. Mosleys actions have no bearing on what is right and proper in the current situation. They might reinforce Mosley's status as a hypocrite. But they do not excuse McLaren's actions.

Edit: I should have read through to the end of the thread, I see my points have been made by others.

See my answer above concerning two wrongs.

I didnt say Mosleys actions excused McLaren, I said his actions show that bringing the sport into disreute is not a top concern of his. He is after McLaren for other reasons. And yes they handed themselves to him on a plate.
I didnt say Mosleys actions excused anything.

[FerrariFan63]

his actions show that bringing the sport into disreute is not a top concern of his. He is after McLaren for other reasons. And yes they handed themselves to him on a plate.
I didnt say Mosleys actions excused anything.

Mosley's dislike for Ron Dennis and McLaren will only become relevant if the FIA response to the scandal is disproportionate. But as discussed throughout this thread, the FIA is unlikely to excessively punish McLaren as it would be counter to its own interests. Basically, this point cannot be addressed before we know what the FIA does. Migosh! That's Julie Christie naked on television right now!

[racechick]

his actions show that bringing the sport into disreute is not a top concern of his. He is after McLaren for other reasons. And yes they handed themselves to him on a plate.
I didnt say Mosleys actions excused anything.

Mosley's dislike for Ron Dennis and McLaren will only become relevant if the FIA response to the scandal is disproportionate. But as discussed throughout this thread, the FIA is unlikely to excessively punish McLaren as it would be counter to its own interests. Basically, this point cannot be addressed before we know what the FIA does. Migosh! That's Julie Christie naked on television right now!

(thats to Julie Christie) I guess we wait and see but I dont hold my hopes for the punishment not being excessive. But maybe Ron going was part of the deal.

[darwin dali]

Migosh! That's Julie Christie naked on television right now!

At her age?! Wouldn't that be like watching a pleated skirt with a wig shuffle about on the screen??

[bud]

He arguably brought himself in disrepute and it may have reflected on the FIA president position, but not necessarily on F1.

[Jensonb]

And if for one minute you think a promise means anything to him other than a means to getting what he wants then you are...............now what was it you called me earlier......

...I have absolutely no idea. What was it?

[McLaren Fan]

Are you a Q.C or what, whats your legal qualifications to make such a statement. wind ya neck in and wait to see what happens

Unfortunately for McLaren, the facts of the case are pretty clear, and they don't make comfortable reading.

What the FIA has or has not done in the past is of no relevance to what it should do in this situation...

What the FIA will do in this situation is a quite different thing, and quite different argument. Past history is much more important here in predicting what the FIA will do.

All legal and governmental systems run, to some degree, on precedent. The whole British constitution is based on it and many laws in the US are based on the decisions of the Supreme Court.

[FerrariFan63]

All legal and governmental systems run, to some degree, on precedent. The whole British constitution is based on it and many laws in the US are based on the decisions of the Supreme Court.

Which means that in the law, a wrong decision might be propagated to subsequent wrong decisions, while the lawmakers then scramble to fix the new loophole. But that doesn't make the law set by precedent right. For example, a particular precedent may mean that someone gets away with a crime, or receives a disproportionate sentence. Doesn't make that right.

And crime that isn't detected or cannot be prosecuted through lack of evidence does not create precedents.

[bud]

hello this is a SPORT

[FerrariFan63]

hello this is a SPORT

The FIA calls its own procedures "courts", "appeals", etc. How is it not proper to discuss what should or should not be done in terms of "justice"?

[LittleSnowBear]

I wish they would just get the hearing over and done so we know where we are at!

[Gaz]

hello this is a SPORT

The FIA calls its own procedures "courts", "appeals", etc. How is it not proper to discuss what should or should not be done in terms of "justice"?

In terms of justice they recived a dsq from oz that should of been enough.

[bud]

hello this is a SPORT

The FIA calls its own procedures "courts", "appeals", etc. How is it not proper to discuss what should or should not be done in terms of "justice"?

I think all sports that i know of have a judicial system of some sort. F1s is the stewards or intern of their decisions the court of appeal. those arena's are and should be enough to satisfy punishments handed out from race meetings. Lewis and McLaren were excluded from the race and lost championship points. that should have been the end of it. Its a sport!

In terms of justice they recived a dsq from oz that should of been enough.

[FerrariFan63]

In terms of justice they recived a dsq from oz that should of been enough.

So McLaren fans keep on saying. But the lying (and therefore cheating) was so blatant, that I think an additional penalty is deserved. Particularly with McLaren being on probation.

[bud]

In terms of justice they recived a dsq from oz that should of been enough.

So McLaren fans keep on saying. But the lying (and therefore cheating) was so blatant, that I think an additional penalty is deserved. Particularly with McLaren being on probation.

typical.