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By stonemonkey
#107747
Glad that's over and not messed things up again, with the exception of the er small matter with Mclaren can we please get back to cars racing on the track to decide the results?
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By scotty
#107754
Seems like you think it's some sort of weird conspiracy then, i think i'll just leave you to it in that case.

the only so called "logical" explanation has been the stewards were rusty or off their game or now floundering about. the fact remains there were roughly 2 laps after the crash where A. in that section there is no crane there is no run off there is no where for the marshals to move the car. B. there was alot of debris on the track. The stewards would have known this so again why the delay?
History tells you in most situations like this accident the SC is deployed straight away! so anyone with a brain would question that! conspiracy? i never said that but to think for yourself you must question authority and not just accept what you see as being correct or factual all the time! what i saw didnt make sense and i want to know the answers. So yeah you can leave it at that and just brush it aside as nothing. just say yes is what they say in your case.... :wink:

PS did anyone else see Charlie Whiting hugging Button after the race? :wink::hehe:

all in all Button was the deserved winner that day no denying that nor am i suggesting Brawn are cheats like you said i did, i just hate BS officialdom.


Er, ok? So what are you saying that you actually think happened? That the officals messed up, or that they deliberately waited til after JB pitted?

Given the situation, i consider the chances of it being a conspiracy or a case of the officials deliberately waiting for JB to pit to be so ridiculous and remote that i haven't wasted much time thinking much about it. The most logical and reasonable explaination does lead me to 'brush it aside as nothing', because, well, logic would dictate that the chances of it being anything else are tiny! On the other hand, incidents like Bourdais' penalty in Japan last year, for example, are very nonsensical....
By 2Del
#107756
That's such a great result, I'm so surprised and Happy that Ferrari didn't get their way. Now if we can get this stupid liegate hearing behind us, we can get on with what will hopefully be a great season. I like the fact that the underdogs have the advantage, and Ferrari and Mclaren have to play catch up, It's time for the Ferrari and Mclaren driver's to show us what they can do in underperforming cars, and how well they can help develop the cars with limited testing.


Well said.

I doubt the other teams can just swap out that part of the rear end. They may have to redesign a lot of bodywork to get the right airflow with a new diffuser (something Brawn was able to do from the start). Should be interesting to see how the rest of the season develops.
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By bud
#107762
Seems like you think it's some sort of weird conspiracy then, i think i'll just leave you to it in that case.

the only so called "logical" explanation has been the stewards were rusty or off their game or now floundering about. the fact remains there were roughly 2 laps after the crash where A. in that section there is no crane there is no run off there is no where for the marshals to move the car. B. there was alot of debris on the track. The stewards would have known this so again why the delay?
History tells you in most situations like this accident the SC is deployed straight away! so anyone with a brain would question that! conspiracy? i never said that but to think for yourself you must question authority and not just accept what you see as being correct or factual all the time! what i saw didnt make sense and i want to know the answers. So yeah you can leave it at that and just brush it aside as nothing. just say yes is what they say in your case.... :wink:

PS did anyone else see Charlie Whiting hugging Button after the race? :wink::hehe:

all in all Button was the deserved winner that day no denying that nor am i suggesting Brawn are cheats like you said i did, i just hate BS officialdom.


Er, ok? So what are you saying that you actually think happened? That the officals messed up, or that they deliberately waited til after JB pitted?

Given the situation, i consider the chances of it being a conspiracy or a case of the officials deliberately waiting for JB to pit to be so ridiculous and remote that i haven't wasted much time thinking much about it. The most logical and reasonable explaination does lead me to 'brush it aside as nothing', because, well, logic would dictate that the chances of it being anything else are tiny! On the other hand, incidents like Bourdais' penalty in Japan last year, for example, are very nonsensical....

well the evidence is there that suggests they waited for the race leader to pit until they brought out the SC. its funny seeing Jenson leave the pits and then straight away the SC rolls out 2 laps after the initial crash.
reasons behind this? well theres Brawn and Whitings close ties or theres the less cynical option which is what i think is what happened, which is race control not wanting a SC to ruin the outcome of the race and cause a stirr after all the nonsense the SC caused to races last season.
By dant
#107763
theres the less cynical option which is what i think is what happened, which is race control not wanting a SC to ruin the outcome of the race and cause a stirr after all the nonsense the SC caused to races last season.


Couldn't have said it better myself.
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By scotty
#107768
well the evidence is there that suggests they waited for the race leader to pit until they brought out the SC. its funny seeing Jenson leave the pits and then straight away the SC rolls out 2 laps after the initial crash.
reasons behind this? well theres Brawn and Whitings close ties or theres the less cynical option which is what i think is what happened, which is race control not wanting a SC to ruin the outcome of the race and cause a stirr after all the nonsense the SC caused to races last season.


Well, fair points. If they were indeed just trying to help out JB they didn't need to, and are idiots; i'm damn sure he had a load of pace in hand and would still have won even if he'd had to pit behind the SC and lost track position.
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By texasmr2
#107780
While watching the race the on screen graphic's showed 'yellow/ SC' but it was a long while before the SC was deployed.
By FranticFury
#107782
Thank God!! Now This Season can Move on, to being one of the most exciting of all time!
By Gaz
#107908
Ferrari has indicated that it will be forced to 'fundamentally' change the design of its F60 challenger, following the FIA International Court of Appeal's decision to reject a protest by several teams over the diffusers used by Brawn GP, Toyota and Williams.

The ICA's verdict, announced on Wednesday, is a blow to those teams that did not pursue the design concept when they created their 2009 cars - as it is widely accepted that the double-decker diffusers have brought a performance advantage.

Ferrari's Kimi Raikkonen suggested last week that the diffuser decision would be vital for the outcome of the world title - with his team likely to have to wait for several races before being able to fit a suitable one to their car.

Team principal Stefano Domenicali added in a statement that he was waiting to hear the reasoning behind the decision, but said that Ferrari would now invest time and money into creating a solution for its cars.

"Unfortunately this decision forces us to intervene on fundamental areas of the car's design in order to be able to compete on an equal footing with some of the teams from a point of view of the technical regulations, and that will take time and money," said Domenicali.

"We will now double our efforts to get the team back to the highest level of competitivity."


Ferrari still moaning.

Just shush and re-design the diffuser your fault you let Brawn go.
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By FerrariFan63
#107935
Been out today, and I come back to about 20 threads on diffusers.

All I'll say is that this will put the non-diffuser teams into massive catch-up mode. It won't be a matter of just bolting on a diffuser, as the cars won't be designed for them. Lack of testing time during race season will limit progress. But most importantly, while non-diffuser teams are working on diffusers, Brawn (+Toyota and Williams) won't be standing still, they'll be moving ahead as well, in other areas.

I'd expect Brawn to stay a top team all year, I predict that they won't get swamped.
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By texasmr2
#107939
From what Brawn says they still have alot more in store and I believe them.
I forsee many broken hearts this season.
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By Denthúl
#107942
From what Brawn says they still have alot more in store and I believe them.
I forsee many broken hearts this season.


Mine very well might be. :(
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By scotty
#107944
From what Brawn says they still have alot more in store and I believe them.
I forsee many broken hearts this season.


I am 100% we haven't seen them really go for it yet as well, we saw signs of it in Malaysia when Button made all that time up to take the lead when the others pitted, as well as the fact they are running heavier cars than the guys near them in Q3. Brawn is basically running it like he did with Schumacher sometimes, only telling him to push when necessary...
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By texasmr2
#107953
From what Brawn says they still have alot more in store and I believe them.
I forsee many broken hearts this season.


Mine very well might be. :(

Need a hug bro? :)
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