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[stonemonkey]

Has anyone else wondered if the $80m dollars was partially financed from Mclarens fine?

I doubt it, didn't Schumacher have some say in where the cash went so surely he'd make sure it got to Ferrari via some other route in addition to the extra they were already recieving.

It went in to road safety.

They sent Massa on a wet weather driving course?

[kerc]

AKR booty pics? Interesting.

[Centauri]

Look, look. There's a simple solution to all of this.

Hang Bernie and Luca, and any decision-makers at Ferrari.





More and more, Ecclestone reminds me of Montgomery Burns....

[f1usa]

Has anyone else wondered if the $80m dollars was partially financed from Mclarens fine?

Yep. This is what really maddens me. McLaren are called cheats, fined eonough money to make sure the FIA can pay off their dirty little debts to Ferrari and also they are cheated out of a constructors title. And for doing what is accepted up and down the pitlane as common practise and was going on in several other teams at the same time. Oh and all at the instigation of a Ferrari employee. Meanwhile Ferrari are accepting backhanders and letting the FIA rig rules and races for them. Some sport!!

The last few months Luca has been whinny about teams (Ferrari) getting a bigger slice of the pie. Wouldn't it be ironic if this $80M was keeping Ferrari afloat, and without it they would do a Honda.

[bjsulla]

More and more, Ecclestone reminds me of Montgomery Burns....

Well, you're not alone making that comparison. Have a look at some other Simpson look-a-likes at http://www.east-coast-bias.com/2008/03/ ... style.html

[7UpJordan]

Has anyone else wondered if the $80m dollars was partially financed from Mclarens fine?

Yep. This is what really maddens me. McLaren are called cheats, fined eonough money to make sure the FIA can pay off their dirty little debts to Ferrari and also they are cheated out of a constructors title. And for doing what is accepted up and down the pitlane as common practise and was going on in several other teams at the same time. Oh and all at the instigation of a Ferrari employee. Meanwhile Ferrari are accepting backhanders and letting the FIA rig rules and races for them. Some sport!!

It's no wonder those Stewards took down your banner from the grandstand at Silverstone, they must have known the truth all along.

[EwanM]

There is no doubt Mclaren did cheat.

But it is double standards.
Renault got away with their blatent cheating
And Ferrari have in the past and will continue to do so.

Hell, Suzuka 89 when Mclaren took Senna's case to the court of appeal they were bombarded with charges that they knew nothing about, eg. Senna's dangerous driving.
Clearly the FISA had edited the transcripts :S

A joke.

[7UpJordan]

There is no doubt Mclaren did cheat.

But it is double standards.
Renault got away with their blatent cheating
And Ferrari have in the past and will continue to do so.

Hell, Suzuka 89 when Mclaren took Senna's case to the court of appeal they were bombarded with charges that they knew nothing about, eg. Senna's dangerous driving.
Clearly the FISA had edited the transcripts :S

A joke.

I reckon somebody mixed up McLaren and West Ham United's punishments and McLaren were supposed to get the £5million fine and West Ham were supposed to be getting the $50million fine and all their points deducted.

I have no doubt in the ruling that McLaren were guilty but that fine was too harsh.

[vintage]

that is disgusting but i cant really blame ferrari for anything. i mean, if i was getting an extra 80 million just because someone thought i was going to leave, ill take it easy. further proof, if you needed anymore, that bernie is ruining f1, he should have never done this

[Hanwombat]

The sport is just being destroyed!

[texasmr2]

The sport is just being destroyed!

NS and it is all due to greed and ego's, the true meaning of F1 has been lost. I understand that thing's can & will change a great deal over time but I am personaly very scared about the future of F1.

[Gert]

Has anyone else wondered if the $80m dollars was partially financed from Mclarens fine?

Macca's fine went to the FIA, not Bernie.

[McLaren Fan]

From autosport.com:

FOTA: Ferrari's special deal not a problem

By Pablo Elizalde Tuesday, December 23rd 2008, 10:23 GMT

FOTA vice-chairman and Toyota team president John Howett says Ferrari's special financial arrangement will not be a point of dispute between the teams, as he suggests Bernie Ecclestone was trying to split the body by going public with details of the deal.

Ecclestone hit out at Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo after the Italian said he wanted teams to get a bigger share of F1 revenues.

The F1 boss spoke openly about the Italian's squad more favourable financial deal compared to their rivals.

"Ferrari get so much more money than everyone else. They know exactly what they get; they are not that stupid, although they are not that bright, either," said Ecclestone.

"They get about $80 million (£54 million) more. When they win the constructors' championship, which they did this year, they got $80 million more than if McLaren had won it."

Howett said, however, that Ferrari's preferential situation was well known by all members of the Formula One Teams' Association, and said Ecclestone's attack was a non-event.

"He may be trying to [split FOTA] but all the information that was given is very transparent and openly shared among the members of FOTA, so it was a bit of a non-event because everybody is aware of the historic status [of Ferrari]," Howett told The Times.

Howett added that FOTA still wanted to discuss the sharing of the F1 income with Ecclestone.

"I think the majority position in FOTA is that people feel that the revenue for a modern professional sport is normally distributed more in favour of the participants than the property holder or the commercial rights-holder," he added.

"People want to open that discussion and achieve a much more consistent balance with the status in many other professional sports."

FIA president Max Mosley conceded that teams are now more united than ever before as they work towards reducing costs in order to survive the financial crisis.

"I think the teams are more united now because there are outside pressures on Formula One," he told the official Formula One website. The real tests of unity will come when there is a significant difference of opinion or when vital interests are threatened."

It's good that Ecclestone's confirmation of what we all suspected won't derail FOTA, but it still doesn't make Ferrari look any less shameful and hypocritical. For the teams' own good, they will gave to suppress their gag reflexes.

[7UpJordan]

I'm surprised the teams have put up with it for so long.

EDIT: Don't know why I had "not" in there.

[bud]

I'm not surprised the teams have put up with it for so long.

what can they do? when some tried to make a stand over various points they get screwed over and black listed!

if they were to do the same about Ferrari's treatment the same would probably happen and Ferrari would look like the good child all over again!