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[nudge1964]

Don't quote me, but it seems that certain teams were making performance-enhancing alterations to their engines under the guise that the changes were to improve their reliability (which in itself has a loophole). Basically, then, it seems to be as you say: Toro Rosso must have been using an earlier version of the same engine.

My understanding was that Ferrari improved their engines mid season which benefited their customers too... and that coupled to the decent Red Bull chassis is basically what caused the performance improvement at Toro Rosso. Or are people saying that Ferrari just kept the top spec engine to themselves until halfway through the season? Because i don't think that was the case, it doesn't make sense...

I agree that it is an homologated unit, essentially the same hardware in the torro rosso as the force india.
I'll say it in caps this time.... ENGINE MAPPING
that was the difference...torro rosso had bespoked engineering input from ferrari, force india didnt.

[f1maniac95]

Fisichella is a brilliant driver and is very unlucky not to win more I think that if he had a decent car that suited him as well then he could have been a serious contender for the championship. With Sutil though I think he is a little bit oberated as a driver but he dosen't have the car the prove himself so we will have to wait and see.

[onelapdown]

Don't quote me, but it seems that certain teams were making performance-enhancing alterations to their engines under the guise that the changes were to improve their reliability (which in itself has a loophole). Basically, then, it seems to be as you say: Toro Rosso must have been using an earlier version of the same engine.

My understanding was that Ferrari improved their engines mid season which benefited their customers too... and that coupled to the decent Red Bull chassis is basically what caused the performance improvement at Toro Rosso. Or are people saying that Ferrari just kept the top spec engine to themselves until halfway through the season? Because i don't think that was the case, it doesn't make sense...

I agree that it is an homologated unit, essentially the same hardware in the torro rosso as the force india.
I'll say it in caps this time.... ENGINE MAPPING
that was the difference...torro rosso had bespoked engineering input from ferrari, force india didnt.

Ahh, that would make sense. No wonder they decided to go elsewhere!

[Dutchcruijff]

Gerhard Berger negotiated a deal to have the same power units as the works team about half way through the season. Thats why thier run of form shot up.

I bet Red Bull A regrets going over to Renault Power (wot were they thinking) considering STR are using thier chassis.
and since renault are barking about the engine Freeze business, shows they probably not to happy with the performance. RB are stuck. Vettel would probably be better off staying at STR.

No, simply because the Renault engine will suit the RBR works team better than switching over to Ferrari. I have high hopes for the new Renault engine so fingers crossed.

[McLaren Fan]

Fisichella has absolutely thrashed Sutil this season. People talk up his performance at Monaco, but that's all he's really done. There have been several other wet races for him to take advantage of (Britain, Italy, Belgium) and he was nowhere. Fisichella, on the other hand, has been fairly impressive given the fact that his car has been so off-the-pace this season.

Fisichella does a solid job in below-par cars, but he is not world championship material. Sutil, therefore, has got to be concerned he hasn't put Fisichella well and truly in the shade this season. Sutil is at the defining point of his career, in my view. He has shown some flashes of skill, but he has been off the boil more often than not and made some pretty poor errors. If he doesn't dispatch Fisichella next season, he can forget about progressing to top team and have to think about moving the racing in the US.

Don't quote me, but it seems that certain teams were making performance-enhancing alterations to their engines under the guise that the changes were to improve their reliability (which in itself has a loophole). Basically, then, it seems to be as you say: Toro Rosso must have been using an earlier version of the same engine.

My understanding was that Ferrari improved their engines mid season which benefited their customers too... and that coupled to the decent Red Bull chassis is basically what caused the performance improvement at Toro Rosso. Or are people saying that Ferrari just kept the top spec engine to themselves until halfway through the season? Because i don't think that was the case, it doesn't make sense...

I agree that it is an homologated unit, essentially the same hardware in the torro rosso as the force india.
I'll say it in caps this time.... ENGINE MAPPING
that was the difference...torro rosso had bespoked engineering input from ferrari, force india didnt.

Ahh, that would make sense. No wonder they decided to go elsewhere!

Indeed. Very interesting. Thanks, nudge1964.

[Denthúl]

Fisichella does a solid job in below-par cars, but he is not world championship material. Sutil, therefore, has got to be concerned he hasn't put Fisichella well and truly in the shade this season. Sutil is at the defining point of his career, in my view. He has shown some flashes of skill, but he has been off the boil more often than not and made some pretty poor errors. If he doesn't dispatch Fisichella next season, he can forget about progressing to top team and have to think about moving the racing in the US.

Completely agree


To be honest, I'm loving this. I have waited ages for another team to use Mercedes engines.

[Gaz]

I agree with everything which you have said GianFisi
It was fantastic to see Fisi back up there in the Brazilian GP and fighting like you say. He is the unluckiest driver in f1 (bar DC this season) but he was once tipped as a future champion and i think he has a point to prove and hopefully a better car will help him prove that.

We'll have to see but to be fair i can see him playing second fiddle to Sutil.

Fisichella has absolutely thrashed Sutil this season. People talk up his performance at Monaco, but that's all he's really done. There have been several other wet races for him to take advantage of (Britain, Italy, Belgium) and he was nowhere. Fisichella, on the other hand, has been fairly impressive given the fact that his car has been so off-the-pace this season.

I wouldnt' say he thrashed him he did slightly better but hes got a lot lot more experience in F1 than sutil so its to be expected.

He impressed me in Monaco tho i mean they say its more driver less car in Monaco and also the wet levels drivers more surely its a good way to see hes got potential?

[Denthúl]

I agree with everything which you have said GianFisi
It was fantastic to see Fisi back up there in the Brazilian GP and fighting like you say. He is the unluckiest driver in f1 (bar DC this season) but he was once tipped as a future champion and i think he has a point to prove and hopefully a better car will help him prove that.

We'll have to see but to be fair i can see him playing second fiddle to Sutil.

Fisichella has absolutely thrashed Sutil this season. People talk up his performance at Monaco, but that's all he's really done. There have been several other wet races for him to take advantage of (Britain, Italy, Belgium) and he was nowhere. Fisichella, on the other hand, has been fairly impressive given the fact that his car has been so off-the-pace this season.

I wouldnt' say he thrashed him he did slightly better but hes got a lot lot more experience in F1 than sutil so its to be expected.

He impressed me in Monaco tho i mean they say its more driver less car in Monaco and also the wet levels drivers more surely its a good way to see hes got potential?

One race out of eighteen, though, doesn't really cut it. He needs to up his game next season or he could end up being one of those guys who always finds themselves stuck at the back of the grid, their talent wasted.

[Gaz]

I agree with everything which you have said GianFisi
It was fantastic to see Fisi back up there in the Brazilian GP and fighting like you say. He is the unluckiest driver in f1 (bar DC this season) but he was once tipped as a future champion and i think he has a point to prove and hopefully a better car will help him prove that.

We'll have to see but to be fair i can see him playing second fiddle to Sutil.

Fisichella has absolutely thrashed Sutil this season. People talk up his performance at Monaco, but that's all he's really done. There have been several other wet races for him to take advantage of (Britain, Italy, Belgium) and he was nowhere. Fisichella, on the other hand, has been fairly impressive given the fact that his car has been so off-the-pace this season.

I wouldnt' say he thrashed him he did slightly better but hes got a lot lot more experience in F1 than sutil so its to be expected.

He impressed me in Monaco tho i mean they say its more driver less car in Monaco and also the wet levels drivers more surely its a good way to see hes got potential?

One race out of eighteen, though, doesn't really cut it. He needs to up his game next season or he could end up being one of those guys who always finds themselves stuck at the back of the grid, their talent wasted.

Yeh definitely its going to be a big shakeup next year i can see Force India being the new torro rosso.

[7UpJordan]

I agree with everything which you have said GianFisi
It was fantastic to see Fisi back up there in the Brazilian GP and fighting like you say. He is the unluckiest driver in f1 (bar DC this season) but he was once tipped as a future champion and i think he has a point to prove and hopefully a better car will help him prove that.

We'll have to see but to be fair i can see him playing second fiddle to Sutil.

Fisichella has absolutely thrashed Sutil this season. People talk up his performance at Monaco, but that's all he's really done. There have been several other wet races for him to take advantage of (Britain, Italy, Belgium) and he was nowhere. Fisichella, on the other hand, has been fairly impressive given the fact that his car has been so off-the-pace this season.

I wouldnt' say he thrashed him he did slightly better but hes got a lot lot more experience in F1 than sutil so its to be expected.

He impressed me in Monaco tho i mean they say its more driver less car in Monaco and also the wet levels drivers more surely its a good way to see hes got potential?

One race out of eighteen, though, doesn't really cut it. He needs to up his game next season or he could end up being one of those guys who always finds themselves stuck at the back of the grid, their talent wasted.

Yeh definitely its going to be a big shakeup next year i can see Force India being the new torro rosso.

I'm not sure they'd be able to achieve that now Gazza's gone. They might be able to move ahead of Toro Rosso but I can't see Sutil doing a Vettel unless it rains again at Monaco but more like Monsoon conditions.

[bud]

It is believed that former F3 Euroseries winner, and 2008 DTM runner-up, Paul di Resta could be heading to F1 next season, following Force India's split with Ferrari.

It's understood that should Mercedes agree a deal with Silverstone-based outfit to supply its powertrain for 2009 and beyond, di Resta, cousin of 2007 Indianapolis 500 winner Dario Franchitti, would join the Indian team.

Mercedes Motorsport boss Norbert Haug makes no secret of his admiration of di Resta, telling the Daily Telegraph: "Paul has done a brilliant job in the DTM. He has finished on the podium in 10 of his 20 races, despite sometimes driving a two-year-old car. It's a remarkable record for a young guy with no previous touring car experience. I think he's exceptional."

With the team announcing a significant restructuring last week, a move which saw the double departure of Colin Kolles and Mike Gascoyne, the Silverstone-based outfit appears determined to put the misery of 2008 behind it as it seeks to move further up the grid in 2009.

While those involved remain tight-lipped on the Mercedes deal, it is thought that McLaren will also be involved, with a source telling the British newspaper that Force India's 2009 car will contain "McLaren DNA".

Ron Dennis is another di Resta fan, saying: "Paul did a great job when we evaluated him on our simulator. We agreed to look at the possibility of integrating him within our F1 programme, but not necessarily with McLaren."

[scotty]

Hmm, i can't see Di Resta being up to much in F1 to be honest, there are way better options than him....

[bud]

Hmm, i can't see Di Resta being up to much in F1 to be honest, there are way better options than him....

why not? he was team mates to Vettel in F3 and owned him 20 to 1 so again why not?

[KyrosV]

It is believed that former F3 Euroseries winner, and 2008 DTM runner-up, Paul di Resta could be heading to F1 next season, following Force India's split with Ferrari.

It's understood that should Mercedes agree a deal with Silverstone-based outfit to supply its powertrain for 2009 and beyond, di Resta, cousin of 2007 Indianapolis 500 winner Dario Franchitti, would join the Indian team.

Mercedes Motorsport boss Norbert Haug makes no secret of his admiration of di Resta, telling the Daily Telegraph: "Paul has done a brilliant job in the DTM. He has finished on the podium in 10 of his 20 races, despite sometimes driving a two-year-old car. It's a remarkable record for a young guy with no previous touring car experience. I think he's exceptional."

With the team announcing a significant restructuring last week, a move which saw the double departure of Colin Kolles and Mike Gascoyne, the Silverstone-based outfit appears determined to put the misery of 2008 behind it as it seeks to move further up the grid in 2009.

While those involved remain tight-lipped on the Mercedes deal, it is thought that McLaren will also be involved, with a source telling the British newspaper that Force India's 2009 car will contain "McLaren DNA".

Ron Dennis is another di Resta fan, saying: "Paul did a great job when we evaluated him on our simulator. We agreed to look at the possibility of integrating him within our F1 programme, but not necessarily with McLaren."

Theres nothing in that quote that says Force India are going to change there driver line up. Its only Mercedes praising di resta. Its just some journalist trying to spark something up.

[scotty]

Hmm, i can't see Di Resta being up to much in F1 to be honest, there are way better options than him....

why not? he was team mates to Vettel in F3 and owned him 20 to 1 so again why not?

If he was that good then he'd surely have been in F1 a while ago, or at least GP2... and being in DTM against the likes of Ralf Failmacher won't push you as much as the competition in GP2, and there are proven guys like Di Grassi gunning for F1 seats as well... that's my thinking anyway. I hope Di Resta proves me wrong if he gets a drive in F1 though!