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[Tony_sa]

dont worry about it angel..... actually didnt have much to do with F1 ....... tis ok. in the past

Very well then.................................... Still have no idea what you meant, but doesn't matter anyway. Like you said all in the past.

Soory ...failed to ask how you feeling today??

[AKR]

dont worry about it angel..... actually didnt have much to do with F1 ....... tis ok. in the past

Very well then.................................... Still have no idea what you meant, but doesn't matter anyway. Like you said all in the past.

Soory ...failed to ask how you feeling today??

Crap, again. But thanks for asking.

[Gaz]

no biggy AKR ... like i said before ... to each his own. my last word on the issue. he passes wierd remarks and when he gets burnt he cries about it. he's a nutcase and deserves the same crap hamilton derserves for that sh*tty attitude. he is nothing - does not even exist

You take shots at me you get it back mate.

all i can say is your a such a hypocrite its unbelivible

[McLaren Fan]

But no one bothers to actually read what I write properly. My point isnt a dispute weather Senna was right or wrong and what Balestre did and his favortism to Prost etc. All i aked if you take that win as a moral win? If you want me to expalin it better than how is this. Would you have prefered Senna winning the way he did by taking Prost out of the race (And himself) or would you have preferred him to win on the racetrack with a strong chance that he may not have won and conceded the victory to Prost/Ferrari? That is all I am wanting any of you McLarenites to answer. It is really a simple question and not as complicated as you want to make it out to be.

I would have preferred both titles to be won the proper way. If Senna didn't win the title in 1989 or 1990, then so be it. As things turned out, however, Balestre and Prost resorted to dirty tactics in 1989, screwing Senna out of the title. The following year, Balestre tried to do the same again. Therefore, both as a result of what happened in 1989 and Balestre getting involved again in 1990, I think Senna was morally right to do what he did. Justice and revenge were served.

[AKR]

But no one bothers to actually read what I write properly. My point isnt a dispute weather Senna was right or wrong and what Balestre did and his favortism to Prost etc. All i aked if you take that win as a moral win? If you want me to expalin it better than how is this. Would you have prefered Senna winning the way he did by taking Prost out of the race (And himself) or would you have preferred him to win on the racetrack with a strong chance that he may not have won and conceded the victory to Prost/Ferrari? That is all I am wanting any of you McLarenites to answer. It is really a simple question and not as complicated as you want to make it out to be.

I would have preferred both titles to be won the proper way. If Senna didn't win the title in 1989 or 1990, then so be it. As things turned out, however, Balestre and Prost resorted to dirty tactics in 1989, screwing Senna out of the title. The following year, Balestre tried to do the same again. Therefore, both as a result of what happened in 1989 and Balestre getting involved again in 1990, I think Senna was morally right to do what he did. Justice and revenge were served.

I finally got an answer to my question. Yippie! So I guess you accept the victory no matter how in the end. Nice way to justify it of course but it still doesn't make you any different to me. Only difference is that you are subtle and careful and how you justify your reasoning (Which I love about you Chris) and me, well I just say it as it is.

[McLaren Fan]

I finally got an answer to my question. Yippie! So I guess you accept the victory no matter how in the end. Nice way to justify it of course but it still doesn't make you any different to me. Only difference is that you are subtle and careful and how you justify your reasoning (Which I love about you Chris) and me, well I just say it as it is.

I'm not the same as you because I don't think McLaren has a divine right to win everything, and nor did I feel Senna had. If McLaren is and Senna was beaten "fair square", I would accept that and would want to see them trying harder to win next year. The reason I accept Senna's 1990 victory is because it was rightfully his, but the FIA tried to take another title away from him. Like I say, it's not nice to see championships be decided like that, but, given the circumstances, Prost and Balestre got what they deserved in 1990.

[Tony_sa]

Lemme tell you okes what i find very funny but also understandable. Its the fact the mclaren hasnt won anything in a long long time and you diehard crazy merc guys prefer to bring up older history until one day they might win again. its like living in the past in order to keep believing. I think its sad really. very sad. not that i blame you. you insist on supporting your own - no matter what. I do feel sorry for some of you take the time and a lot of effort to find all kinds of info to support any claim you make. dont worry- you guys just may make it this year. stop sulking.....

[Hanwombat]

Lemme tell you okes what i find very funny but also understandable. Its the fact the mclaren hasnt won anything in a long long time and you diehard crazy merc guys prefer to bring up older history until one day they might win again. its like living in the past in order to keep believing. I think its sad really. very sad. not that i blame you. you insist on supporting your own - no matter what. I do feel sorry for some of you take the time and a lot of effort to find all kinds of info to support any claim you make. dont worry- you guys just may make it this year. stop sulking.....

I wasn't sulking until I read this

< - - Sulky face

[al4x]

Lemme tell you okes what i find very funny but also understandable. Its the fact the mclaren hasnt won anything in a long long time and you diehard crazy merc guys prefer to bring up older history until one day they might win again. its like living in the past in order to keep believing. I think its sad really. very sad. not that i blame you. you insist on supporting your own - no matter what. I do feel sorry for some of you take the time and a lot of effort to find all kinds of info to support any claim you make. dont worry- you guys just may make it this year. stop sulking.....

die hard fan is the best sort, u have ups and downs, downs arent fun

[Tony_sa]

Lemme tell you okes what i find very funny but also understandable. Its the fact the mclaren hasnt won anything in a long long time and you diehard crazy merc guys prefer to bring up older history until one day they might win again. its like living in the past in order to keep believing. I think its sad really. very sad. not that i blame you. you insist on supporting your own - no matter what. I do feel sorry for some of you take the time and a lot of effort to find all kinds of info to support any claim you make. dont worry- you guys just may make it this year. stop sulking.....

die hard fan is the best sort, u have ups and downs, downs arent fun

tend to agree with you........... but do you guys have to make it so obvious ??? ....if Massa dont make it ... I will accept it gracefully ..... but the noise as it is now.????

[Denthúl]

Lemme tell you okes what i find very funny but also understandable. Its the fact the mclaren hasnt won anything in a long long time and you diehard crazy merc guys prefer to bring up older history until one day they might win again. its like living in the past in order to keep believing. I think its sad really. very sad. not that i blame you. you insist on supporting your own - no matter what. I do feel sorry for some of you take the time and a lot of effort to find all kinds of info to support any claim you make. dont worry- you guys just may make it this year. stop sulking.....

die hard fan is the best sort, u have ups and downs, downs arent fun

tend to agree with you........... but do you guys have to make it so obvious ??? ....if Massa dont make it ... I will accept it gracefully ..... but the noise as it is now.????

Arguably, the McLaren fans would have a right to be outraged if Hamilton didn't win it, whilst the Ferrari fans not so much.

[Tony_sa]

Lemme tell you okes what i find very funny but also understandable. Its the fact the mclaren hasnt won anything in a long long time and you diehard crazy merc guys prefer to bring up older history until one day they might win again. its like living in the past in order to keep believing. I think its sad really. very sad. not that i blame you. you insist on supporting your own - no matter what. I do feel sorry for some of you take the time and a lot of effort to find all kinds of info to support any claim you make. dont worry- you guys just may make it this year. stop sulking.....

die hard fan is the best sort, u have ups and downs, downs arent fun

tend to agree with you........... but do you guys have to make it so obvious ??? ....if Massa dont make it ... I will accept it gracefully ..... but the noise as it is now.????

Arguably, the McLaren fans would have a right to be outraged if Hamilton didn't win it, whilst the Ferrari fans not so much.

I might agree with you ... but this no fairy tale and there no third force at play here ..... hamilton not gonna win it ..( and note i do not capitalise the name hamiton... thats becos he dont have any credentials yet...... so for now .until the fat lady sings ..its Massa... all the way.!!!!

[racechick]

Lemme tell you okes what i find very funny but also understandable. Its the fact the mclaren hasnt won anything in a long long time and you diehard crazy merc guys prefer to bring up older history until one day they might win again. its like living in the past in order to keep believing. I think its sad really. very sad. not that i blame you. you insist on supporting your own - no matter what. I do feel sorry for some of you take the time and a lot of effort to find all kinds of info to support any claim you make. dont worry- you guys just may make it this year. stop sulking.....

die hard fan is the best sort, u have ups and downs, downs arent fun

tend to agree with you........... but do you guys have to make it so obvious ??? ....if Massa dont make it ... I will accept it gracefully ..... but the noise as it is now.????

Arguably, the McLaren fans would have a right to be outraged if Hamilton didn't win it, whilst the Ferrari fans not so much.

I might agree with you ... but this no fairy tale and there no third force at play here ..... hamilton not gonna win it ..( and note i do not capitalise the name hamiton... thats becos he dont have any credentials yet...... so for now .until the fat lady sings ..its Massa... all the way.!!!!

And Massa's credentials?? And why am i even bothering to answer !this

[big ron]

Lemme tell you okes what i find very funny but also understandable. Its the fact the mclaren hasnt won anything in a long long time and you diehard crazy merc guys prefer to bring up older history until one day they might win again. its like living in the past in order to keep believing. I think its sad really. very sad. not that i blame you. you insist on supporting your own - no matter what. I do feel sorry for some of you take the time and a lot of effort to find all kinds of info to support any claim you make. dont worry- you guys just may make it this year. stop sulking.....

Why thank you for pointing out what we're all doing wrong. I'll tell you what, we'll all start supporting the same team and driver. Wouldn't that make it nice and exciting!

[McLaren Fan]

Lemme tell you okes what i find very funny but also understandable. Its the fact the mclaren hasnt won anything in a long long time and you diehard crazy merc guys prefer to bring up older history until one day they might win again. its like living in the past in order to keep believing. I think its sad really. very sad. not that i blame you. you insist on supporting your own - no matter what. I do feel sorry for some of you take the time and a lot of effort to find all kinds of info to support any claim you make. dont worry- you guys just may make it this year. stop sulking.....

I don't know what you are talking about. Kiki raised the 1989 and 1990 seasons and asked me an honest question, and I give her an honest answer. It's got nothing to do with living in the past. On the contrary, I've pretty pleased with McLaren off late and feel the team has a great future ahead of it.

Arguably, the McLaren fans would have a right to be outraged if Hamilton didn't win it, whilst the Ferrari fans not so much.

Well, speaking for myself, I'm already outraged, but will be even more disgusted if Hamilton does not win this year's title officially. If Hamilton is not the 2008 drivers champion, it will be the second title in as many years the FIA have taken from us. That doesn't sit too well with me, I'm afraid. It is anger inducing, frustrating and disappointing from a fan's perspective, and it must be gut-wrenching for all of the team's engineers etc. who have seen their work not get the recognition it deserves. They are ordinary people like you or me who take pride in what they are doing and are fans of motorsport. They are being caught in the crossfire of political vendettas in which they have played no part.