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#55027
I'm sure the data was useless, the 2007 McLaren didn't incorporate the Ferrari design philosophy. You're missing the point, they were trying to gain an advantage using Ferrari intellectual property.

As has been said before, you're talking about a couple of rogue employees throughout the whole team. Their role in the spy scandal has been admitted. In fact, it was McLaren who went to the FIA about this, Ron Dennis phoning Max Mosley personally.

Now, DeMuRe, how about a word on Ferrari sending photographers to infiltrate into the McLaren garages and place on the paddock and to spy on BMW's pit stops?


How stupid do you think I am? A couple of rogue employee's acting completely solo with no knowledge from anyone else about what they were doing?

I'm sure in your mind you like to rationalise this fantasy for the glory of your team, however in the real world that is just complete :bs:


deMuRe, and he tries tells us he is not Bias. :rofl:


Oh he's biased all right, doing a fairly good job of defending his team but the 2007 bolded in his sig says it all.

I think it's more like :banghead: when trying to talk about McLaren's mistakes...
#55030
I'm sure the data was useless, the 2007 McLaren didn't incorporate the Ferrari design philosophy. You're missing the point, they were trying to gain an advantage using Ferrari intellectual property.

As has been said before, you're talking about a couple of rogue employees throughout the whole team. Their role in the spy scandal has been admitted. In fact, it was McLaren who went to the FIA about this, Ron Dennis phoning Max Mosley personally.

Now, DeMuRe, how about a word on Ferrari sending photographers to infiltrate into the McLaren garages and place on the paddock and to spy on BMW's pit stops?


How stupid do you think I am? A couple of rogue employee's acting completely solo with no knowledge from anyone else about what they were doing?

I'm sure in your mind you like to rationalise this fantasy for the glory of your team, however in the real world that is just complete :bs:


deMuRe, and he tries tells us he is not Bias. :rofl:


Oh he's biased all right, doing a fairly good job of defending his team but the 2007 bolded in his sig says it all.

I think it's more like :banghead: when trying to talk about McLaren's mistakes...

The 2007 in my signature is perfectly legitimate, DeMuRe. For one, I didn't see Renault or Toyota being punished for their little ventures in the espionage world. Nor did Ferrari for sending out their spies with cameras.

I don't give a flying f*** what either of you two think. :shrug:


A bit harsh :D


You're funny DD, :clap:

And you'll always been a tool. :clap:
#55033
I'm sure the data was useless, the 2007 McLaren didn't incorporate the Ferrari design philosophy. You're missing the point, they were trying to gain an advantage using Ferrari intellectual property.

As has been said before, you're talking about a couple of rogue employees throughout the whole team. Their role in the spy scandal has been admitted. In fact, it was McLaren who went to the FIA about this, Ron Dennis phoning Max Mosley personally.

Now, DeMuRe, how about a word on Ferrari sending photographers to infiltrate into the McLaren garages and place on the paddock and to spy on BMW's pit stops?


How stupid do you think I am? A couple of rogue employee's acting completely solo with no knowledge from anyone else about what they were doing?

I'm sure in your mind you like to rationalise this fantasy for the glory of your team, however in the real world that is just complete :bs:


deMuRe, and he tries tells us he is not Bias. :rofl:


Oh he's biased all right, doing a fairly good job of defending his team but the 2007 bolded in his sig says it all.

I think it's more like :banghead: when trying to talk about McLaren's mistakes...

The 2007 in my signature is perfectly legitimate, DeMuRe. For one, I didn't see Renault or Toyota being punished for their little ventures in the espionage world. Nor did Ferrari for sending out their spies with cameras.

I don't give a flying f*** what either of you two think. :shrug:


A bit harsh :D


You're funny DD, :clap:

And you'll always been a tool. :clap:


So you've decided to get personal, which brings a smile to my face.

The 2007 in your sig shows exactly how biased you are. And you lecture me on facts, here's a newslfash, McLaren weren't constructors champions in 2007 mate, when you finish orbiting planet McLaren Fan and decide to come back to earth maybe we can have a sensible conversation...
#55035
The 2007 in your sig shows exactly how biased you are. And you lecture me on facts, here's a newslfash, McLaren weren't constructors champions in 2007 mate, when you finish orbiting planet McLaren Fan and decide to come back to earth maybe we can have a sensible conversation...

I've said all I need to say to your shit-stirring self this evening and in the past. If I don't have another conversation with you, I'll not shed too many tears.
#55039
The 2007 in your sig shows exactly how biased you are. And you lecture me on facts, here's a newslfash, McLaren weren't constructors champions in 2007 mate, when you finish orbiting planet McLaren Fan and decide to come back to earth maybe we can have a sensible conversation...

I've said all I need to say to your s***-stirring self this evening and in the past. If I don't have another conversation with you, I'll not shed too many tears.


It's not sh!t stirring, it's my opinion and if you can't help yourself from responding then don't respond.
#55044
I don't give a flying f*** what either of you two think. :shrug:


That cuts me deep. Real deep :hehe:

Here is some music to accompany your :bs: It will make it even more entertaining. :thumbup:

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#55051
That is correct. And when eventually Mercedes owns all of McLaren, what will happen next? Mercedes like Toyota, Honda, BMW (Its German rival), Renault and Ferrari are want to going to race as themselves. Ie MERCEDES, not McLAREN-MERCEDES. Also when they win races, for the constructors point of you, Mercedes are going to want to her the "Lied von Deutschland" not "God Save the Queen". This is a fact. Germans want German domination. The only way to achieve this is to when Mercedes fully aquires McLaren, to rename the team to Mercedes and then get a German racing licence instead of a British one. The team would likely still remaing Woking based however. This is what happened to Benetton when it ws aquired by Renault. Team is renamed to Renault, a French licence replaces the Italian one from old team Benetton, but team remains British based. Same is the case with BMW. Sauber is Swiss and team still based in Switzerland, but team nationality (BMW) is German as they have a German racing licenece. The same example can also be given with Honda based also in Britain and Toyota which is based in Germany. Both team nationalities are Japanese.

I never realised that predicting the future was one of your many talents, AKR.


Doesn't this likely reality sadden you? Although McLaren would remain a part of this new Mercedes team, in time it would eventually dissolve like with many takeovers and people will just know Mercedes. I can tell you, Germans being German wil make sure of this. :twisted: Oh well, it doesn't sadden me at all. It puts a smile to my face actually. :wink:
#55053
The 2007 in my signature is perfectly legitimate, DeMuRe. For one, I didn't see Renault or Toyota being punished for their little ventures in the espionage world. Nor did Ferrari for sending out their spies with cameras.


I am sorry, but it isn't legit because McLaren didn't win in 2007. It is more like you are a sore loser and you cannot accept that Ferrari won in 2007 and have to be like a big (Actually I wont say it because I will just get in trouble). Either way no matter what you write on your signture it wont change the reality. If it is for a little protest again it wont change anything. And also a lot of people don't agree with you that McLaren should of really won. They did cheat after all. Weather you believe the punishment was too harsh or not it doesn't matter. Had McLaren not cheated in the first place then no punishment would of occurred. They did cheat however and what happened as a result was that they got kicked out of the constructors championship. Period. Ferrari won in 2007 and that his history. If McLaren are better now they will win it this year and if they do you can legitemetly put 2008 on your signiture. If they don't you can choose to accept it or you can choose not to and just put McLaren won on your signiture like with 2007. But in the end it matters not as it will not change reality and that is that FERRARI ARE THE CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Also there was no need to punish Toyota as their so called cheating didn't effect Ferrari's championship title hopes as Toyota were not going to ever win it, let alone win a race. So why waste time and money. The would of been the case with Renault. With McLaren it wasn't the case. McLaren cheated and potentially could of stolen the title from Ferrari by cheating. That is why everyone cared that McLaren cheated but not Toyota and Renault.
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