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#374686
Hammer contrary to your belief there is more to Formula 1 than Lewis Hamilton. This Forum is about Formula 1... all of it!

Personally I enjoy reading Mr Racers stats threads, if you don't then don't read them.

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Yes...there's Mercedes too. :P

Okay, I posed a question respectfully since it seemed 50/50 to me....a simply yes/no would do Jabber, but cheers for the response anyway.
#374687
Your guy get's booed on the podium... wanna fix that? Go the a race and cheer louder and stop the whining online.

I am not quite certain who you are directing that comment at WB but if it was me (which I acknowledge might not be), I hope to go to a live race sometime - Sochi (if there is a race there after all) is a possibility.

I never whine - on or off-line. Making a comment different from your beliefs is not whining.

And RC, I questioned the word exceptional because that would imply that Hamilton is way better than the rest. You might believe that but I don't. In fact, what I believe is smilar to what you quoted yourself only last week that Vettel, Alonso, Hamilton and Raikkonen are in the same league. Who comes out ahead from that gang in a race depends on several variable circumstances - the car setup, the track, the driving style, the weather, technical problems, luck and not the least other drivers. Nothing falls into place all the time for one guy or nothing will be against one guy all the time. It more or less levels out over time.
#374688
You introduced the word exceptional. You said Hamilton wasn't exceptional. I Say he is. I've also said two other drivers Are up there.
#374689
Your guy get's booed on the podium... wanna fix that? Go the a race and cheer louder and stop the whining online.

What do you think to accomplish with ignorant posts like that.
IT IS NOT ABOUT VETTEL. No matter how often you try to claim otherwise, it is not.
It is about the lack of common decency, whether it's towards Vettel, Hamilton or Chilton.
I repeat, it is about the lack of common decency.
#374690
Your guy get's booed on the podium... wanna fix that? Go the a race and cheer louder and stop the whining online.

What do you think to accomplish with ignorant posts like that.
IT IS NOT ABOUT VETTEL. No matter how often you try to claim otherwise, it is not.
It is about the lack of common decency, whether it's towards Vettel, Hamilton or Chilton.
I repeat, it is about the lack of common decency.

I think it's a lack of common decency for you to claim I've little morality.
#374691
To lighten the mood here a little....

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WOOOOO. Ok as you were ladies. :blush:
#374693
Your guy get's booed on the podium... wanna fix that? Go the a race and cheer louder and stop the whining online.

What do you think to accomplish with ignorant posts like that.
IT IS NOT ABOUT VETTEL. No matter how often you try to claim otherwise, it is not.
It is about the lack of common decency, whether it's towards Vettel, Hamilton or Chilton.
I repeat, it is about the lack of common decency.

I think it's a lack of common decency for you to claim I've little morality.


I'm clearly of the view that the spectators, without whom there would be no F1, have a right to give voice to their opinions. I can see that some might see booing in a harsher light than I do. Certainly I think a "boo" is far less severe than publicly writing and calling someone ignorant for expressing their opinion.

On a forum, we have the opportunity to express our views in writing and to elaborate and explain them. At a race, the average punter only has the ability to "cheer" or "boo".

Given that drivers make literally millions of dollars a year from their profession - and given they know race events are very public in nature, then IMO it is they who should respect the fans. For example, if you as a sportsman taunt the opposition, you need to understand there will be a reaction. On the other hand, some sports stars go out of their way to respect their opponents and opponents fans by finding some quality to praise in them in their victory speech.

In short, fans have no other way to express their feelings, and, given they make the sport all that it is, then they are IMO entitled to have at least one way to express joy and one way to express disapproval.
#374700
I'm clearly of the view that the spectators, without whom there would be no F1, have a right to give voice to their opinions. I can see that some might see booing in a harsher light than I do.
On a forum, we have the opportunity to express our views in writing and to elaborate and explain them. At a race, the average punter only has the ability to "cheer" or "boo".
In short, fans have no other way to express their feelings, and, given they make the sport all that it is, then they are IMO entitled to have at least one way to express joy and one way to express disapproval.


OK, fair point. But booing a driver is acceptable if it is a spontaneous reaction to an event with which the paying spectators were not happy with - like the 'Multi-21' incidence for example. To that end, it was an acceptable reaction to boo Vettel on the podium at Sepang. Then the degree of heckling would have been proportionate to the transgression.

But what is happening now is no longer a spontaneous reaction. It is a vile, premeditated, opportunistic taunting perpetuated by people to vent their hatred against a driver who simply happens to be winning at a time when they would like to see him lose. Vettel's 'multi-21' incident was certainly not worthy of the continued heckling that he has been receiving after the teams left Malaysia. Other drivers have done much worse and got away with it.

A spectator's 'right' to boo can be acceptable as long as it is justified. But when this 'right' turns into a witch-hunt as it now has become, it all becomes distasteful and disgraceful.
#374703
calling someone ignorant for expressing their opinion.

I'm not calling him ignorant, I am pointing out he is ignorant for IGNORING everything and continuing to attribute false statements to our motivations.

[the rest about paying for tickets means common decency is paid off]

We've been over this. The world is filled with situations that are not illegal or forbidden, but that are simply not done due to common decency.
Bullying is not illegal, it is not unlawful, but it is not decent either.

If you are the type of person who believes it is ok to forgo on common decency because you paid for a ticket, fine, so be it, then you are such a person. Accept it, live with it. But that doesn't mean that I have to agree with how you align your morals. That doesn't mean that I have to forgo common decency.
#374707
I'm not calling him ignorant, I am pointing out he is ignorant


Is that not the same thing...?

The first implies baseless name calling, while the situation is that it's simply pointing out actual behavior.


Oh, well thats ok then.

:rolleyes:

What, are we going to have to be all politically correct and just hug and kiss each other?
:bs:
In the real world, if you steal, you are a thief, if you drive too hard, you are a speeder, if you ignore things, you are ignorant. Simple.
If you're the type of person who prefers 'misunderstood item relocator', or 'person handicapped by a heavy right foot' or 'person held back by lack of knowledge', you might want to try politics.

You're acting like I'm calling him an asshole out of nowhere. I'm not. He displays ignorant behavior, I point that out. Not out of nowhere, not out of context. Just very factual.
#374708
What, are we going to have to be all politically correct and just hug and kiss each other?
:bs:
In the real world, if you steal, you are a thief, if you drive too hard, you are a speeder, if you ignore things, you are ignorant. Simple.
If you're the type of person who prefers 'misunderstood item relocator', or 'person handicapped by a heavy right foot' or 'person held back by lack of knowledge', you might want to try politics.


ha ha, you are the one arguing of the semantics of 'calling him ignorant' and 'pointing out he is ignorant'. Im not talking about being PC. Im talking about you hdidng behind the subtle meaning of words. You were calling WB ignorant. If you think he IS ignorant, then just man up and say it.

For someone who claims to have a strong moral compass, you sure do talk down to people and speak to them like crap sometimes.

Therefore I would like to point out you are a hypocrite, you need to re-asses at what level your morals lie, and stop presenting yourself as the great defender of morality.
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