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[Hammer278]

Fraff, Lewis is like Buddha reincarnated compared to you.

Why do you insist on making enemies on the forum?

[racechick]

Fraff. Ive just spent half an hour or more dealing with your situation and dont appreciate that comment!!

[FRAFPDD]

Fraff, Lewis is like Buddha reincarnated compared to you.

Why do you insist on making enemies on the forum?

Ill PM you.

[Big Azza]

I can see that this is now pretty much winding down as an issue. I'm glad that I read the final 3 pages instead coming on here in a flaming rage. I'd like to say though, there are two people on here - maybe a few more - who seem to think Whitmarsh should have been more supportive of Hamilton. Let me cast everyone's minds back to last year with a certain Mr. Sebastian "Weltmeister" Vettel.

There was a lot of screaming rage about Vettel apparently being favoured when he was going through a tough time - the Australian posts all over Facebook were sickening and very graphically MA-Rated - about how Vettel and Newey were apparently an item. I'm actually supportive of Whitmarsh being more supportive of Hamilton - look at how Vettel responded to his team's support last year - by finishing strongly last year, winning the WDC in the last race, and now look at him this year? Would he have attempted that brave overtake on Alonso at this time last year with the crash-kid title?

Also, remember that Niki Lauda, in my opinion probably makes some good opinions and is happy to compromise or swing the other way. I'm sure this time last year Lauda was highly critical of Vettel. Yet he is now almost worshipping him this year. Same with Schumacher - look at how he has responded to criticism this year. He didn't give two hoots to what the media said and look - he's rebounded and people are noticing his return to form. This the same Schumacher who copped a lot of flack for his driving throughout his 20 years of being associated with F1. I'd hate to say it but Hamilton could learn from both Schumacher and Vettel.

Hamilton being underfuelled and not being told to push can be a botch from the team - however I choose to believe that Hamilton is that good a driver - that fast - that his team were not expecting him to use all that fuel. Perhaps Hamilton could have been told to slow down a lot earlier - but would he have finished as high as he did? If Hamilton was given more fuel to suit his driving style, wouldn't he be slower? Would he appreciate that? Would the fans appreciate that? Would he finish as high as he does, or get off to poorer starts? Also do you think that McLaren would actually tell Hamilton to push knowing the record he currently has? If he did keep pushing in Monza, he could have very well crashed with Schumacher and then there would have been even more criticism.

I don't think Hamilton can afford to risk taking Senna's approach, unless he qualifies well regularly and makes it to P1 by turn one regularly. At this point in time the cars around him ( a la the Charging Bull and Prancing Horse) are preventing him from doing that. If he tries to teach this lesson to the drivers around him, he risks DNF after DNF after DNF and surely he will leave F1 in disgrace, as he won't have a contract with McLaren and the front running teams won't want him. I somehow do not think we could see Hamilton driving a Virgin.

I believe Hamilton has to learn the lesson sooner or later. He actually has shown that he has started learning. I think he's actually listened to Lauda and realised his priority is "I must finish this race and get points at least." Points come first before podiums. Hamilton is a fantastic driver, has a great amount of speed, grit and determination. But Vettel, Alonso, and Button are beating him in the championship because they are also focusing on their race strategies before focusing on the drivers directly in front and behind them. Hamilton would do well to at least get his strategy in motion - perhaps wait for the first round of pitstops, or even later, to pass before seriously pushing. He needs to know he has the fuel and tires to be able to vigorously pursue the drivers in front of him. You do not have this information on hand at the start of the race.

I'm not saying I definitely know all this, as I've selected in my wording, I choose to believe this.

[Ineluke]

This is Lewis' fifth year in F1; he shouldn't need all the attention and propping up at this point, he should be able to motivate himself, yes Lewis' has had some bad luck as well as making mistakes, but at this level he should be able to brush that off and look forward to the next race with a fresh perspective! F1 is not a sport for the weak-hearted; how many years of bad results and bad cars did Jenson have to work through before getting a break in the Brawn, it was touch and go whether Jenson's career was over in the off season after Honda ditched F1.

[Ineluke]

This is Lewis' fifth year in F1; he shouldn't need all the attention and propping up at this point, he should be able to motivate himself, yes Lewis' has had some bad luck as well as making mistakes, but at this level he should be able to brush that off and look forward to the next race with a fresh perspective! F1 is not a sport for the weak-hearted; how many years of bad results and bad cars did Jenson have to work through before getting a break in the Brawn, it was touch and go whether Jenson's career was over in the off season after Honda ditched F1.

Lol.. what nonsense you spout.

How do you know how Lewis approaches the next race,how do you come to the conclusion that Lewis is weak hearted? This is just your assumption with no proof to back up anything you are saying at all,it's just your blind hate that makes you spout the rubbish you do.

Yeah yeah, you don't hate Lewis blah blah..

As for Jenson and his years of bad luck lol,

Jenson early years were spent under the media spot light playing the clown playboy image and not taking F1 seriously or have you forgotten that. You make it sound like Jenson has had nothing but bad luck throughout his career which is utter bull crap to say the least. Their was a time when all he wanted to do was bed loads of women and get photographed in magazine or go on telly,he makes Lewis's so called celebrity lifestyle look boring as hell.

[racechick]

Myown was answering something I'd said about lewis, there's no need to be agressive with replies.

[racechick]

Just heard Whitmarsh in the pre quali buil up criticizing Lewis' driving at Monza

[LewEngBridewell]

Just heard Whitmarsh in the pre quali buil up criticizing Lewis' driving at Monza

He simply stated his wish for Lewis to return to his old attacking self. It's what most of us would desire.

[McLaren]

Just heard Whitmarsh in the pre quali buil up criticizing Lewis' driving at Monza

He simply stated his wish for Lewis to return to his old attacking self. It's what most of us would desire.

Agreed

[racechick]

He siad he was too cautious (which is true). But you'd prefer not to have your team manager say that on air. there are plenty of other things he could have chosen to say.

[Hammer278]

He siad he was too cautious (which is true). But you'd prefer not to have your team manager say that on air. there are plenty of other things he could have chosen to say.

I'd respond to Martin as below if I could meet him...but just change the dialogue to "You want him to ease up...and when he eases up you say he's too cautious!?? How can you POSSIBLY say this sh*t...."

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[racechick]

He siad he was too cautious (which is true). But you'd prefer not to have your team manager say that on air. there are plenty of other things he could have chosen to say.

I'd respond to Martin as below if I could meet him...but just change the dialogue to "You want him to ease up...and when he eases up you say he's too cautious!?? How can you POSSIBLY say this sh*t...."

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Like it!

[bud]

I just see this thread as Lewis fans seeing something that isn't there personally. As a fan of McLaren, Martin is just saying how it is in reality. It was the media criticising Lewis for his DNFs and below par performances in Belgium and Hungary. Martin has been with his drivers all the way.

[andrew]

Whitmarsh has said he wants his driver of old back and Hamilton has said that all he wanted to do in Italy was just get to the end of the race and that he wasn't too happy with his performance. Don't see what the problem is, both agree with each other.