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[spankyham]

Is this not just a sad excuse for not being able to produce the funds required for HRT to develop a EBD of their own?

How is Kolles not embarrassed to do such a cowardly thing?

To be fair Nish, it was Charlie Whiting, last Friday, who said these overruns were being used as "aerodynamic influences". So given the officials saying this, surely a team has the right to protest when they feel another team has broken the rules?

[spankyham]

Is this not just a sad excuse for not being able to produce the funds required for HRT to develop a EBD of their own?

How is Kolles not embarrassed to do such a cowardly thing?

Just as a following thought, perhaps Red Bull could just put a set of options on in Q1, set a blistering lap and eliminate HRT with the 107% rule.

[What's Burning?]

^^ They're looking for hush money, because they aint making any friends with this.

[darwin dali]

^^ They're looking for hush money, because they aint making any friends with this.

Here Kolles, have a couple dollars from me - that's what it's worth to me

[nish2280]

Is this not just a sad excuse for not being able to produce the funds required for HRT to develop a EBD of their own?

How is Kolles not embarrassed to do such a cowardly thing?

To be fair Nish, it was Charlie Whiting, last Friday, who said these overruns were being used as "aerodynamic influences". So given the officials saying this, surely a team has the right to protest when they feel another team has broken the rules?

I know Charlie made the decision but then why should HRT protest?

Now that i think about it, maybe by protest they mean they will not race. In that case it could just be an excuse as they know they arnt going to make the 107%

[bud]

I still don't see how using exhaust gasses is moving a aero device. What would be Charlies view in the days of old where a driver could ride the clutch during a corner keeping RPMs up, if this was around would he still think exhaust gasses mid corner controlled by the driver as moving aero?

They should just change the regs for next season and ban blown exhausts all together!

[acosmichippo]

I still don't see how using exhaust gasses is moving a aero device.

I think it's more the off-throttle engine mapping than simply using naturally-occurring, on-throttle exhaust gasses. When off-throttle, the engine is no longer fulfilling its sole reason for existing (according to regulations). Instead it becomes an aero device with moving parts; in other words it's producing hot gases for the sole purpose of creating downforce.

Hence, via spanky's post on page 1:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91475

It is understood the directive to the teams tells them that, under braking, the throttle input can now be no larger than 10 per cent of its maximum. Some outfits had been gaining aerodynamic benefit from keeping the throttle flow at 100 per cent under braking.

[Jabberwocky]

For HRT it is cheaper to complain to slow the other cars down than it is to speed theres up. How much would it cost to redesign the chassis to move the exausts around. It is not as if they are usings last years chassis or something.

[Fred_C_Dobbs]

I still don't see how using exhaust gasses is moving a aero device....

If you think about it, it's the opposite that is true. The exhaust overrun reduces the change in downforce experienced when entering a corner. Therefore it's thelack of exhaust overrun that amounts to a movable aero device. Nothing in the SR or TR makes any reference to what a team may or may not do with off-throttle fuel mapping.

[acosmichippo]

I'm fairly positive that i read somewhere that the regulations state that the only function of the engine should be for providing torque or (something like that).

[darwin dali]

Charlie Whiting is simply facing the same fate as the other F1 methuselahs BE and MM: senility and dementia

[Jabberwocky]

Maybe they are using the same reason that ground effect was banned. If a driver is expecting all the extra down force from the blown diffuser and for some reason it has not happened then off to the Armco with you.

As for it being a movable aero device... I suppose you could say that it is a device that the driver can control to change the aero caractaristics of the car.

[darwin dali]

Maybe they are using the same reason that ground effect was banned. If a driver is expecting all the extra down force from the blown diffuser and for some reason it has not happened then off to the Armco with you.

As for it being a movable aero device... I suppose you could say that it is a device that the driver can control to change the aero caractaristics of the car.

Is it the driver though? I thought it's all done by engine mapping?

[Jabberwocky]

Maybe they are using the same reason that ground effect was banned. If a driver is expecting all the extra down force from the blown diffuser and for some reason it has not happened then off to the Armco with you.

As for it being a movable aero device... I suppose you could say that it is a device that the driver can control to change the aero caractaristics of the car.

Is it the driver though? I thought it's all done by engine mapping?

The driver can change which map he is using

[darwin dali]

Maybe they are using the same reason that ground effect was banned. If a driver is expecting all the extra down force from the blown diffuser and for some reason it has not happened then off to the Armco with you.

As for it being a movable aero device... I suppose you could say that it is a device that the driver can control to change the aero caractaristics of the car.

Is it the driver though? I thought it's all done by engine mapping?

The driver can change which map he is using

but that's for an entire lap or multiple laps, not within a lap, between corners or is it?