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[myownalias]

DRS whaaaa?

Ah, but DRS did contribute to the excitement of the closing nine laps, I doubt Button could have made the passes he did without having less drag down the long straight before the final corner!

[What's Burning?]

I'm back home and dry... please do forgive me for uploading all this stuff, even if it take you a little bit of time to load the pictures, I hope you find your favorite driver here, I didn't want to flood the thread with all of them! Enjoy.

[acosmichippo]

What, no Coco and Ice-T pics?

[vaptin]

Why the hell is Heidfeld the only driver sitting in the seat, wuss.

[Bladesman]

Why the hell is Heidfeld the only driver sitting in the seat, wuss.

Looks like a picnic hamper might be in the back.

He didnt want to squash the sandwiches.

[vlad]

Hahaha, great photos! Vettel freezes so easily. I think he only lies he is German. He is from Africa!

[Tsakali]

wow so many pages of replies, how could I possibly comment on something that hasn't probably been said here over and over again in different ways. But for what it's worth here is my 2 cents:

Hamilton is a passionate driver: YES
He is fast and has skill : YES
He is hot headed and creates 80% of his own misfortune : ABSOLUTELY YES

It's one thing to say that this sport lost some of the driver fire and passion, and another thing to use that as an explanation as to how hamilton's actions have been perceived.
He takes risks that are WAY too optimistic of their result. It's one thing to be able to see an opportunity and act on it, and quite another to blindly go for a move hoping that somehow his personal jesus will make way for him, and that somehow his (as i describe it) hot headed passion is going to overcome any logic and physics.

This sport is for big boys, and although skill is a big part of it, so is better judgement and patience. He might be a former champion, but if he doesn't gain some wisdom soon, he'll end up being a one hit wonder. I am just about fed up with his "i am faster than those around me, and I deserve something for it" attitude. But also lets not overlook the socially unpopular fact that, hotheadedness and lack of patience is part of his gene pool. It's not a racial comment and please don't belittle it as such. This is a real problem that he needs to personally overcome, before he can truly utilize his natural gift.

[carmonwebber]

Nice pics WB! Hope you enjoyed the race.

[Fact Man]

But if Button did not deserve a penalty according to the stewards, then where is the consistency? They can't penalize one driver in one race, and let another one off the hook in another race. Both incidents with Hamilton and Alonso were mostly Button's fault, yet he walks away with no penalties. Also, why did they wait till after the race to investigate them when there was plenty of time to make those decisions during the race.

I think you are simplifying things a bit... All those incidents might look the same as seen on TV, but claiming that they are exactly the same... it is pretty hard to figure that out based on what we see on TV as small variables can make huge difference... At least I'm hoping stewards have more data to work with when deciding on such matters.

Well, that's what you hope for that the stewards know exactly what happened.

Regarding this race, Lewis accepted responsibility for accident with Button, and I haven't heard from Alonso but I would expect Ferrari to be much more vocal should they have any real concerns regarding foul play. Even Lauda blasted Lewis' "irresponsible" driving but hasn't mention Button, much as I am aware.

So far Alonso has not said anything bad about Button http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/13062011/ ... wrong.html
Also Ferrari has not complained about the incident http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/13062011/ ... title.html

So... While I agree they cannot penalize one driver in one race, and let another one off the hook in another race for exactly the same incidents, I don't think you can have exactly the same incidents on different tracks and under different weather conditions.

The point I am making is we need consistency. Either let them race or let us have a steward ride in the back of each car

[spankyham]

DRS whaaaa?

Ah, but DRS did contribute to the excitement of the closing nine laps, I doubt Button could have made the passes he did without having less drag down the long straight before the final corner!

I agree that there were a lot of DRS passes made, and I'd agree that they are passes that wouldn't have happened before DRS.

But, I'd add that, for me, the DRS passes were shallow and vacuous. In fact, I felt dissappointed as I watched Shumi, who'd worked himself into a good position by the closing stages of the race, get passed so effortlessly. IMO very bland vanilla passes.

I felt robbed of not being able to see them have to fight to get passed him, I felt robbed of seeing him defend against their attempts and I felt robbed of seeing a great pass (if they were able to pull it off).

[Hammer278]

DRS whaaaa?

Ah, but DRS did contribute to the excitement of the closing nine laps, I doubt Button could have made the passes he did without having less drag down the long straight before the final corner!

I agree that there were a lot of DRS passes made, and I'd agree that they are passes that wouldn't have happened before DRS.

But, I'd add that, for me, the DRS passes were shallow and vacuous. In fact, I felt dissappointed as I watched Shumi, who'd worked himself into a good position by the closing stages of the race, get passed so effortlessly. IMO very bland vanilla passes.

I felt robbed of not being able to see them have to fight to get passed him, I felt robbed of seeing him defend against their attempts and I felt robbed of seeing a great pass (if they were able to pull it off).

Absolutely. The DRS simply made a mockery of a drivers efforts to get himself up to a fantastic position. They pushed it this time. Canada never needed DRS, and even if they did, there was no need to make it on such a lengthy plane. The driver in front is a sitting duck, and that's not what racing is supposed to be about.

[PartsaS]

It was a crazy race, no doubt about it. I am a little pissed at the fact that Alonso was robbed again of a chance of winning (Monaco & Canada).
Well, one can assume that the incident with Button was a racing incident and unfortunately that ruined Alonso's race. He was about to pass JB and who knows he could have at least made it to the podium or even better we could have seen a battle between FA and SV.
Seeing that Vettel made a mistake in Canada, who knows he could have made one in Monaco if Alonso kept the pressure on him and the race did not get red flagged.
But if Button did not deserve a penalty according to the stewards, then where is the consistency? They can't penalize one driver in one race, and let another one off the hook in another race. Both incidents with Hamilton and Alonso were mostly Button's fault, yet he walks away with no penalties. Also, why did they wait till after the race to investigate them when there was plenty of time to make those decisions during the race.
Button had the pace to pass a lot of cars but he was about to be overtaken by Alonso! Yes he made it all the way from the back but was helped a lot by all the safety cars. I think that after the race restarted , if there were no more SC, it was less likely for Button to win and considering that Alonso was going to pass him, he might have finished 2nd at best.
Anyways, I would like to see consistency from the stewards. Either they should let the drivers race or should have the same mind set regarding all the drivers during all races.

I understand you are upset about Alonso n Button incident. It would be nice to see Alonso up there fighting with the others for podium. But Button was way faster than Alonso at that moment and tried to overtake him from the inside! Alonso wasn't about to overtake button at any point , he just fought back Buttons overtake from the outside line and over the kerbs while Button had already been in the clear racing line. MAybe if it wasn't wet he might hadn't end up out of the race as the contact wasn't so bad.
After all Button got his tyre broken and he made an extra pitstop because of that, which send him way back on the grid!
So Imo it was a fair punishment for him.
As for Lewis it was mostly his fault trying to pass his teamate from the outside while he knows the racing line Button was going to take. I believe Button didn't see anything at the moment and Lewis should be more carefull and wait a bit untill he makes a move.

[Peng]

Button had the pace to pass a lot of cars but he was about to be overtaken by Alonso! Yes he made it all the way from the back but was helped a lot by all the safety cars.

For someone called Fact Man you get still somehow get facts wrong...

Alonso wasn't the 1 overtaking Button it was Button overtaking Alonso and Alonso didn't yield, not saying it was Alonso's fault since it was clearly a racing incident on a very wet track but Button was the faster car at the time not Alonso, I am sure he would have been up there battling for a podium if the accident didn't happen but i am also quite sure it would have lead to a very easy win for Button since that accident dropped him down to last place.

And yes he got help from the safety cars yet so did most drivers in that race even Vettel, he may have lost his lead in the end due to a safety car but he also maintained it for so long because of those safety cars, not sure exactly how many laps it was but pretty sure it was close to 40% of the race was behind a safety car at which time cars that were faster than him could make no progress where as he maintained his lead.

I know you are Alonso's biggest fan but even someone as blinded as you cant ignore the fact Button drove a fantastic race probably the best drive we have seen in a few years and maybe the best for a few to come.

[Hammer278]

It was a crazy race, no doubt about it. I am a little pissed at the fact that Alonso was robbed again of a chance of winning (Monaco & Canada).
Well, one can assume that the incident with Button was a racing incident and unfortunately that ruined Alonso's race. He was about to pass JB and who knows he could have at least made it to the podium or even better we could have seen a battle between FA and SV.
Seeing that Vettel made a mistake in Canada, who knows he could have made one in Monaco if Alonso kept the pressure on him and the race did not get red flagged.
But if Button did not deserve a penalty according to the stewards, then where is the consistency? They can't penalize one driver in one race, and let another one off the hook in another race. Both incidents with Hamilton and Alonso were mostly Button's fault, yet he walks away with no penalties. Also, why did they wait till after the race to investigate them when there was plenty of time to make those decisions during the race.
Button had the pace to pass a lot of cars but he was about to be overtaken by Alonso! Yes he made it all the way from the back but was helped a lot by all the safety cars. I think that after the race restarted , if there were no more SC, it was less likely for Button to win and considering that Alonso was going to pass him, he might have finished 2nd at best.
Anyways, I would like to see consistency from the stewards. Either they should let the drivers race or should have the same mind set regarding all the drivers during all races.

I understand you are upset about Alonso n Button incident. It would be nice to see Alonso up there fighting with the others for podium. But Button was way faster than Alonso at that moment and tried to overtake him from the inside! Alonso wasn't about to overtake button at any point , he just fought back Buttons overtake from the outside line and over the kerbs while Button had already been in the clear racing line. MAybe if it wasn't wet he might hadn't end up out of the race as the contact wasn't so bad.
After all Button got his tyre broken and he made an extra pitstop because of that, which send him way back on the grid!
So Imo it was a fair punishment for him.
As for Lewis it was mostly his fault trying to pass his teamate from the outside while he knows the racing line Button was going to take. I believe Button didn't see anything at the moment and Lewis should be more carefull and wait a bit untill he makes a move.

He saw clearly...the replays showed the guy looking at his left rear mirror and simply closing the door when Lewis was already thereabouts. He tried intimidating Lewis into braking and caused him to retire. Look at it from his perspective. Everyone's lost count of the times Lewis has simply overtaken him on track, and it seems this time his ego played up a bit too much, and he got fantastically lucky his car was spared from the contact. If the wall wasn't there, we would've had the exact scene of what happened to Redbull in Turkey, Jenson spinning out of contention like Vettel.

Next time this scenario plays out, I hope Lewis never yields , and takes out Button along with himself. This should help Jenson understand he's dealing with no pushover.

[acosmichippo]

Looking at your mirror does not equate to seeing the car behind you (through the spray) and knowing where he's going.

Furthermore, Lewis himself has said the incident was his fault. Not sure why you're still arguing against it.