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[Robert12010]

If you want exact driver comnparisons then you would need to have them in the same car/team. Then you can see who is fastest, who makes the most difference. Other than that there are too many variables to be exact.

No. I only want to know the exact impact have had any of the two drivers in the position of their team in this list about fastest cars. I mean what percentage of best qualies and best laps has had any of them inside his own team.

That is dependant on who your team mate is as much as how good you are. But if thats the statistic you want heres the quali statistics
Button 5 hamilton 14
Schumacher 5 Rosberg 14
Vettel 12 Webber 7
Massa4 Alonso 15
Barrichello 13 Hulkenberg 6
Kubica 17 Petrov 2
Suthil 16 Liuzzi 3
Buemi 11 Alguersari8
Trulli 11 Kovi 8
Chand /Yam/Klein 7 Senna/yam 12
DLR/Heidfeld 8 Kobi 11
Glock 17 Di Grassi 2

So no real surprises there!

Hey! Here is another leak according to the races results of 2007 :

Hamilton 7 Alonso 10

Who beats who?

We were talking about this season

OK,if those are the figures are correct, a double world champion got 3 more poles than a rookie, shame he couldnt have kept his head and done something with them instead of let the rookie beat him.

yeah you tell 'em racechick!

[Jack Master]

If you want exact driver comnparisons then you would need to have them in the same car/team. Then you can see who is fastest, who makes the most difference. Other than that there are too many variables to be exact.

No. I only want to know the exact impact have had any of the two drivers in the position of their team in this list about fastest cars. I mean what percentage of best qualies and best laps has had any of them inside his own team.

That is dependant on who your team mate is as much as how good you are. But if thats the statistic you want heres the quali statistics
Button 5 hamilton 14
Schumacher 5 Rosberg 14
Vettel 12 Webber 7
Massa4 Alonso 15
Barrichello 13 Hulkenberg 6
Kubica 17 Petrov 2
Suthil 16 Liuzzi 3
Buemi 11 Alguersari8
Trulli 11 Kovi 8
Chand /Yam/Klein 7 Senna/yam 12
DLR/Heidfeld 8 Kobi 11
Glock 17 Di Grassi 2

So no real surprises there!

Hey! Here is another leak according to the races results of 2007 :

Hamilton 7 Alonso 10

Who beats who?

We were talking about this season

OK,if those are the figures are correct, a double world champion got 3 more poles than a rookie, shame he couldnt have kept his head and done something with them instead of let the rookie beat him.

yeah you tell 'em racechick!

Maybe if Uncle Ron would have treated both drivers equally at the last races the history would had been different, but he made his chose: Raikkonen. Remember that they were racing against Alonso.

[bud]

Maybe if Uncle Ron would have treated both drivers equally at the last races the history would had been different, but he made his chose: Raikkonen. Remember that they were racing against Alonso.

I hope you realise the FIA Fair Play observer at Brazil said they were treated equally and that no driver was disadvantaged in any way so your conspiracy theories are wrong yet again.

[Jack Master]

Maybe if Uncle Ron would have treated both drivers equally at the last races the history would had been different, but he made his chose: Raikkonen. Remember that they were racing against Alonso.

I hope you realise the FIA Fair Play observer at Brazil said they were treated equally and that no driver was disadvantaged in any way so your conspiracy theories are wrong yet again.

This isn’t a conspiracy theory Bud. Now, do you believe everything the FIA says? It was Ron Dennis who said they were racing against Alonso. Maybe he shouldn’t have said that but he did. I believe there is not more evidence required than that.

[bud]

There's really no point discussing anything Alonso related with a spaniard

[Robert12010]

Maybe if Uncle Ron would have treated both drivers equally at the last races the history would had been different, but he made his chose: Raikkonen. Remember that they were racing against Alonso.

I hope you realise the FIA Fair Play observer at Brazil said they were treated equally and that no driver was disadvantaged in any way so your conspiracy theories are wrong yet again.

This isn’t a conspiracy theory Bud. Now, do you believe everything the FIA says? It was Ron Dennis who said they were racing against Alonso. Maybe he shouldn’t have said that but he did. I believe there is not more evidence required than that.

but why would the FIA lie?, or are another body thats corrupt just like FIFA!

[spankyham]

Maybe if Uncle Ron would have treated both drivers equally at the last races the history would had been different, but he made his chose: Raikkonen. Remember that they were racing against Alonso.

I hope you realise the FIA Fair Play observer at Brazil said they were treated equally and that no driver was disadvantaged in any way so your conspiracy theories are wrong yet again.

This isn’t a conspiracy theory Bud. Now, do you believe everything the FIA says? It was Ron Dennis who said they were racing against Alonso. Maybe he shouldn’t have said that but he did. I believe there is not more evidence required than that.

but why would the FIA lie?, or are another body thats corrupt just like FIFA!

Why would you suddenly need someone in a garage to try and cut out foul play? It could also be seen as, somewhat "shutting the gate after the horse has bolted"

[Jack Master]

Maybe if Uncle Ron would have treated both drivers equally at the last races the history would had been different, but he made his chose: Raikkonen. Remember that they were racing against Alonso.

I hope you realise the FIA Fair Play observer at Brazil said they were treated equally and that no driver was disadvantaged in any way so your conspiracy theories are wrong yet again.

This isn’t a conspiracy theory Bud. Now, do you believe everything the FIA says? It was Ron Dennis who said they were racing against Alonso. Maybe he shouldn’t have said that but he did. I believe there is not more evidence required than that.

but why would the FIA lie?, or are another body thats corrupt just like FIFA!

You know. The FIA, Mosley, Ecclestone,… Do you remember, for example, the 2009 season when suddenly Fisichela got the pole and almost won the race with a Force India? Do you believe in miracles? I guess you don’t. I think FIA and FIFA could easily been considered similarly corrupted organizations and don’t forget about the always positive influence of Bernie Ecclestone on everything that surrounds F1.
In any case, who didn’t lie was Ron Dennis. What for?

[bud]

Why would you suddenly need someone in a garage to try and cut out foul play? It could also be seen as, somewhat "shutting the gate after the horse has bolted"

Ofcourse you would see it that way, the fact it was even instigated by the FIA proves the witch hunt comments of McLaren that season!

Why is it again we are talking about 07 in an MP4-25 thread?

[Jack Master]

Why would you suddenly need someone in a garage to try and cut out foul play? It could also be seen as, somewhat "shutting the gate after the horse has bolted"

Ofcourse you would see it that way, the fact it was even instigated by the FIA proves the witch hunt comments of McLaren that season!

Why is it again we are talking about 07 in an MP4-25 thread?

I believe Mosley wanted to harm McLaren that year, maybe because Ron Dennis and he were declared enemies, but nobody wanted to hurt Lewis at the same time. Anyway you can call it a “witch hunt” perfectly.
We are talking about McLaren and 2007 because that year marked his trajectory very much. I believe there is a “before and after” 2007 for McLaren and Alonso.

[darwin dali]

I believe there is a “before and after” 2007 for McLaren and Alonso.

You don't say! That's rather deep...

[spankyham]

I believe there is a “before and after” 2007 for McLaren and Alonso.

You don't say! That's rather deep...

As deep as

[F1er]

I like very much Jenson as a driver and a person. As a person he fits very well with the gentleman driver image. He is absolutely different to Lewis.

You DO KNOW that Jenson was the biggest PLAYBOY in F1??? DO YOU ???

James Hunt, Eddie Irvine and others were way bigger playboys than JB.

I dont disagree with you,just with him making statements!

Just an observation F1er, but I thought that post of Jack's was rather complimentary to Jenson. The bit about being different to Lewis is, at worst, innocuous.

In one of your previous posts you said something about hate and love blinding people, which is sometimes true.

I'm a lover not a hater

Perhaps you and Jack can cut each other some slack and accept that you're gonna have different opinions

He's asking for it.by playing defamation games! And we know how that gona end

[Robert12010]

Maybe if Uncle Ron would have treated both drivers equally at the last races the history would had been different, but he made his chose: Raikkonen. Remember that they were racing against Alonso.

I hope you realise the FIA Fair Play observer at Brazil said they were treated equally and that no driver was disadvantaged in any way so your conspiracy theories are wrong yet again.

This isn’t a conspiracy theory Bud. Now, do you believe everything the FIA says? It was Ron Dennis who said they were racing against Alonso. Maybe he shouldn’t have said that but he did. I believe there is not more evidence required than that.

but why would the FIA lie?, or are another body thats corrupt just like FIFA!

You know. The FIA, Mosley, Ecclestone,… Do you remember, for example, the 2009 season when suddenly Fisichela got the pole and almost won the race with a Force India? Do you believe in miracles? I guess you don’t. I think FIA and FIFA could easily been considered similarly corrupted organizations and don’t forget about the always positive influence of Bernie Ecclestone on everything that surrounds F1.
In any case, who didn’t lie was Ron Dennis. What for?

i wouldnt say it was a miracle, but it was a surprise yeah