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[Cubejam]

I went in to this race with very high hopes. What I was expecting was that they would all be using super-soft tires so they can go as fast as they can with these intense super quick pit stops! Apparently I was wrong. I say down with the "required 2 different tire" rule, ONLY provide a super-soft tire which will force them to pit every 10 laps or so. Overtaking would definitely be more intense, and not so boring to watch!!
I almost fell asleep...in fact, I was almost asleep for many of the races last year!

When are these rules going to allow them to start racing again!!

Chris

It's your own fault that you're bored then. Bahrain is always boring, there has never been good racing there.

Please guys, lets apply some common sense, remove the aero, remove the no refuelling, open the tyre restrictions and lets see some real innovation.

How would that work eh? lets apply some common sense here. teams with the most money will spend their way to victory. Something F1 doesn't need or want when they're trying to improve racing & reduce costs. idiotic idea.

Like I said, more mechanical grip, less aero. ban on refuelling is good. fair qualifying for all. Racing was better when refuelling was banned.

As for crashes involving max fuel tanks... nothing will happen.. they'll crash and get out. As they always do. You're expecting an explosion? No. Even in 1993 when someone had a big shunt it was safe. Perfectly safe now.

There are 18 more races... and you guys are moaning about how boring the sport is after just one race. A circuit that has proven boring in the past. Use your brains will you.

Give the damn moaning a rest. It's the only thing people are doing. crying and whinging boohoo boohooo *cry cry*
Shush. moaners.

[manmonkee]

There are 18 more races... and you guys are moaning about how boring the sport is after just one race. A circuit that has proven boring in the past. Use your brains will you.

Give the damn moaning a rest. It's the only thing people are doing. crying and whinging boohoo boohooo *cry cry*
Shush. moaners.

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Well it's nice to hear some constructive criticism....... Actually apart from the whole Bahrains boring, Oh they added new corners to spice it up argument the basic problem with the race was all the guys trundling around nursing their tyre's, not daring to have a go because it might hurt their tyre's, Yes there was lots of overtaking ( Someone said), Well if the success of F1 depends on a couple of Lotus's and a virgin squabbling over second to last place, Well F1 is a roaring success. That Tyre nursing thing isn't going away.
There's always been a lack of overtaking in F1, trying to solve the problem by getting rid of one of the few overtaking opportunities there is ( Refueling ) is just sticking your head in the sand ( Sands of Bahrain ) and ignoring the basic problem of to highly advance aero.

[formula1man]

I agree teams didnt know what to expect so they were all very cautious. Maybe its just because im used to the Australian GP being first which adds a lot of spice to the opening round. (Im Ozzy lol) best track in the world i say. Then Bahrain is 2nd and the teams are more confident, the longer track didnt help either, but its just a little disheartening to see a race like that. Im not bitching, its just scary.

[Jensonb]

For anyone who wants to complain about a lack of overtaking, there were 19 passes yesterday (not including things like the spins that Sutil, Kubica and Hulkenberg had, or passing Timo Glock as he toured to the pits) compared with the 15 of last year. Overtaking is not the most important factor, clearly. If it was, then it would only be logical that people found the British grand prix less exciting than the Bahrain grand prix.

It's not just about passes. It's about how important the passes are, how interesting it is to watch the cars going, people taking a look at a pass, people gaining and losing through pitstops, awesome bits of driving...Bahrain 2010 lost out in all regards. The problem is, because the idiot who owns the place decided to add a terrible new loop to the circuit, we have no way of knowing what's to blame until we get to Australia. There is no such thing as a boring race at Melbourne, historically speaking, so if this year's even is as much of a snoozefest as Bahrain, we're in trouble.

The way I see it, there were two things which conspired to make this race dull. First, the new rules make close racing even harder (And when it occurs, less interesting) as the cars are larger and heavier and brake earlier (So you can't steam one up the inside as it were) whilst at the same time inhibiting race strategy because the Options are not marginal enough to replace the fuel situation (And arguably the Primes are also too good). Second, the lap was too long. This one sounds silly, but...Long laps mean dull races. It's not that the distance is too great - Spa is a longer circuit by distance of course - but because it's that long and achingly slow, we had 2 minute laps. Long, slow laps with no interesting corners lead to long, dull races where nothing happens.

[manmonkee]

For anyone who wants to complain about a lack of overtaking, there were 19 passes yesterday (not including things like the spins that Sutil, Kubica and Hulkenberg had, or passing Timo Glock as he toured to the pits) compared with the 15 of last year. Overtaking is not the most important factor, clearly. If it was, then it would only be logical that people found the British grand prix less exciting than the Bahrain grand prix.

It's not just about passes. It's about how important the passes are, how interesting it is to watch the cars going, people taking a look at a pass, people gaining and losing through pitstops, awesome bits of driving...Bahrain 2010 lost out in all regards. The problem is, because the idiot who owns the place decided to add a terrible new loop to the circuit, we have no way of knowing what's to blame until we get to Australia. There is no such thing as a boring race at Melbourne, historically speaking, so if this year's even is as much of a snoozefest as Bahrain, we're in trouble.

The way I see it, there were two things which conspired to make this race dull. First, the new rules make close racing even harder (And when it occurs, less interesting) as the cars are larger and heavier and brake earlier (So you can't steam one up the inside as it were) whilst at the same time inhibiting race strategy because the Options are not marginal enough to replace the fuel situation (And arguably the Primes are also too good). Second, the lap was too long. This one sounds silly, but...Long laps mean dull races. It's not that the distance is too great - Spa is a longer circuit by distance of course - but because it's that long and achingly slow, we had 2 minute laps. Long, slow laps with no interesting corners lead to long, dull races where nothing happens.

You definitely need long straights for overtaking, the car behind needs time to get it'self up the arse of the other car, long sweeping corners help too.

[vaptin]

For me more overtaking is a solution to the problem, rather than a solution in itself.

The problem is the tedium and the feeling that the race is a foregone conclusion, its no good watching faster drivers in faster cars stuck behind someone - ie Leis behind Rosberg, or Webber.

Alonso looked a lot quicker then Vettle, before he got into the dirty air and had to drop back again. Then Alonso got lucky and was able to get past.

[darwin dali]

For me more overtaking is a solution to the problem, rather than a solution in itself.

The problem is the tedium and the feeling that the race is a foregone conclusion, its no good watching faster drivers in faster cars stuck behind someone - ie Leis behind Rosberg, or Webber.

Alonso looked a lot quicker then Vettle, before he got into the dirty air and had to drop back again. Then Alonso got lucky and was able to get past.

I thought SV controlled the race quite nicely and reacted to any advances by FA with his own faster lap.

[vaptin]

For me more overtaking is a solution to the problem, rather than a solution in itself.

The problem is the tedium and the feeling that the race is a foregone conclusion, its no good watching faster drivers in faster cars stuck behind someone - ie Leis behind Rosberg, or Webber.

Alonso looked a lot quicker then Vettle, before he got into the dirty air and had to drop back again. Then Alonso got lucky and was able to get past.

I thought SV controlled the race quite nicely and reacted to any advances by FA with his own faster lap.

He generally did very well,

I'm talking about the time just before his exhaust broke, when Alonso got right up to him and could be seen moving around to stay out of Vettle's "wake". Rob also told Massa to stay back from Alonso. What would've be interesting is whether Alonso would've eventually got past Vettle or not.

[al4x]

For me more overtaking is a solution to the problem, rather than a solution in itself.

The problem is the tedium and the feeling that the race is a foregone conclusion, its no good watching faster drivers in faster cars stuck behind someone - ie Leis behind Rosberg, or Webber.

Alonso looked a lot quicker then Vettle, before he got into the dirty air and had to drop back again. Then Alonso got lucky and was able to get past.

I thought SV controlled the race quite nicely and reacted to any advances by FA with his own faster lap.

He generally did very well,

I'm talking about the time just before his exhaust broke, when Alonso got right up to him and could be seen moving around to stay out of Vettle's "wake". Rob also told Massa to stay back from Alonso. What would've be interesting is whether Alonso would've eventually got past Vettle or not.

i dont think he would have, bar a mistake, he even took a fair while even with the exhaust ..because he had to preserve the engine

i will make proper decisions after Oz but to me, i cant see how these rules improve things one bit

i dont want artificial overtakes, just that they are possible if the behind car is fat enough..

[darwin dali]

For me more overtaking is a solution to the problem, rather than a solution in itself.

The problem is the tedium and the feeling that the race is a foregone conclusion, its no good watching faster drivers in faster cars stuck behind someone - ie Leis behind Rosberg, or Webber.

Alonso looked a lot quicker then Vettle, before he got into the dirty air and had to drop back again. Then Alonso got lucky and was able to get past.

I thought SV controlled the race quite nicely and reacted to any advances by FA with his own faster lap.

He generally did very well,

I'm talking about the time just before his exhaust broke, when Alonso got right up to him and could be seen moving around to stay out of Vettle's "wake". Rob also told Massa to stay back from Alonso. What would've be interesting is whether Alonso would've eventually got past Vettle or not.

i dont think he would have, bar a mistake, he even took a fair while even with the exhaust ..because he had to preserve the engine

i will make proper decisions after Oz but to me, i cant see how these rules improve things one bit

i dont want artificial overtakes, just that they are possible if the behind car is fat enough..

Would this be fat enough for ya?

[al4x]

^ whoops.. fast

[antoniob]

good one DD. Looks like that car has a eating problem ??

[headless]

nah it is JPM's car

[darwin dali]

nah it is JPM's car

from racechick

[al4x]

nah it is JPM's car

youre gonna get it .. from a certain female mod

but yeah i agree