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[myownalias]

My take on this matter is that JB does deserve more money now that he is a WDC yet I hope he is willing to atleast negotiate an amicable compromise with BGP.

I heard that it was €6m + freedom to develop his own sponsorship; which I believe is fair really as personal sponsorship could be worth millions. But I believe that he owes Ross Brawn at least one more year as if it wasn't for BrawnGP; Jenson's F1 career would more than likely over as no-one wanted to touch him 12 months ago!

[RyRy]

My take on this matter is that JB does deserve more money now that he is a WDC yet I hope he is willing to atleast negotiate an amicable compromise with BGP.

Indeed.

I personally, think McLaren are the best team out there at the moment, closely followed by Ferrari just look at this year, they had undoubtedly the worst car at the start of the year 3+seconds of the pace of Brawn, within a few months they had undoubtedly the best car and definatly the best car for the last race, its a shame they never really got to show how good it was.

For McLaren, the best option would be Button for several reasons which I will go through for you now.

The first reason is for publicity, it would be a British team with two British drivers with two British Champions, Hamilton won 2008, Button won 2009, in turn from the publictiy would come some very hi-profile Ads/Sponsors which would give McLaren a huge boost over other teams in terms of money and for both drivers would get them significantly more money and that's not only for 2010 but for 2011 and if they perform and win 2010 then 2011 will be even more prosperous.

If they were to win the Championship and come first and second in it then the publicity levels and sallery would rocket.

There is also the point to make about crossing both Hamilton and Button, they could learn alot from each other. For example with the tires Button manages his tires fantastically where as Hamilton is a real fighter and pushes his car far beyond its limits to achieve the best he can out of the car. Button's smoothness could also help both drivers mixing it with how Hamilton wrestles his car.

With Kimi, I know he's a VERY fast driver and sets a lot of fastest laps but 2009 car was pretty bad and they gave up development mid way though the year to focus on 2010 but his laid back nature could be a bad thing and we could see him to-relaxed however then again Hamilton's fighting nature and fighting style could make him great.

In terms of money, if Button uses his brain he would get more money at McLaren than at Brawn... and even if McLaren don't have the best car at the start of the season (I think they will) then atleast they will and can get it upto speed fairly quickly it won't be anything like the start of 2009 because of the Double De-fusser issue is over.



(Woot, I have a topic what has reached 4 pages! I knew this subject would us all talking )

[Jabberwocky]

I think the thing is

a, how much is Button worth as a driver?
b, how much is it worth in sponsorship/tv air time, to have the current F1 driver in the team?

also if Button stays at Brawn he is safe, if he moves to McLaren he will be in a world of hurt, so if he does go to Mclaren he should get a lot of money as I think it could be a career breaking move.

[RyRy]

I think the thing is

a, how much is Button worth as a driver?
b, how much is it worth in sponsorship/tv air time, to have the current F1 driver in the team?

also if Button stays at Brawn he is safe, if he moves to McLaren he will be in a world of hurt, so if he does go to Mclaren he should get a lot of money as I think it could be a career breaking move.

A) 6mil (ish) (Hamilton about 10mil, Vettel about 8.5Mil, Alonso about 9Mil(Perform well for Ferrari and it would be up to 10mil), Massa about 8Mil(however his drama in 2009 would give him a higher value for 2010 so 9Mil)) (The "worth" stuff is aload of crap though and I personally if got the chance would driver for whatever they wanted to offer me, (250k minimum) even if I was one of the top drivers I would be fine accepting whatever they offered.)
B) No idea but its a fair bit!

I disagree greatly with your comment saying moving to McLaren would cause a "world of hurt" and that it could break his career, I actually think the opposite McLaren blatently have the best team in developing cars right now, which puts them in a VERY strong position for 2010 and the only reason Brawn won 2009 is because of Ross and the start of 2009 with the Double Diffuser which gave them a huge head start.

Moving to McLaren would give both Hamilton and Button a HUGE salary boost, more than button could achieve next year. Unless they miraculously some how manage to have the same sort of car which is significantly better than other cars at the start.

[Jabberwocky]

Although I like Button a lot, I do not think he could move into Hamilton's team and hold a candle to him.

I would also like to add that I am not a Hamilton fan boy, I just think he is a very good driver

[RyRy]

Although I like Button a lot, I do not think he could move into Hamilton's team and hold a candle to him.

The money would be enough to "hold" the "candle to him" lol

[racechick]

Although I like Button a lot, I do not think he could move into Hamilton's team and hold a candle to him.

The money would be enough to "hold" the "candle to him" lol

That depends how long he wants to stay in F1 for

[madbrad]

Ross may prefer a better driver than Jenson. If they become the Mercedes team they should have a top top shelf ace superstar driver.

yeah who would want a world champion driver in their team aye

Yes yes I noticed that title thing about him. It's cute but it doesn't put him in the top handful of drivers.

[bud]

Ross may prefer a better driver than Jenson. If they become the Mercedes team they should have a top top shelf ace superstar driver.

yeah who would want a world champion driver in their team aye

Yes yes I noticed that title thing about him. It's cute but it doesn't put him in the top handful of drivers.

I think it does.

[myownalias]

If Jenson plays both sides too much he could well find himself without a drive next season or maybe end up driving for one of the new teams for €1m, and it'd serve him right!

[pilotfriend]

Personally, I would love to see Button and Hamilton drive against each other in the same make car. Having got tired of folks pontificating about how good or bad a particular driver is, this would be a totally emprical test between 2 world champions.

[Jabberwocky]

the outcome would be one of two

Lewis beats Button - No one would be suprised and everyone would say that Button won the championship because of the car.

Button beats Lewis - apart from making all the fan boys cry, I think it would destroy Lewis' confidence and self belief. that could be the end of him

[madbrad]

Ross may prefer a better driver than Jenson. If they become the Mercedes team they should have a top top shelf ace superstar driver.

yeah who would want a world champion driver in their team aye

Yes yes I noticed that title thing about him. It's cute but it doesn't put him in the top handful of drivers.

I think it does.

Then howcome everybody thinks Hill and Villeneuve aren't good? Don't get me wrong I ain't saying Jenson isn't a great driver. I'm just thinking the impression I get is the teams don't consider him in the top few talents. Just getting the most points doesn't make you the best. It could be argued that he got his wins when the car was the best and Mclaren and Ferrari were floundering, then when they improved he stopped winning. It could be said that Rubens is the driver who won 2 races in a by then less competitive Brawn. I'm just saying, is all. I'm sure many team execs consider Vettel better. I'm just saying... as you can see I like to say things.

[7UpJordan]

Ross may prefer a better driver than Jenson. If they become the Mercedes team they should have a top top shelf ace superstar driver.

yeah who would want a world champion driver in their team aye

Yes yes I noticed that title thing about him. It's cute but it doesn't put him in the top handful of drivers.

I think it does.

Then howcome everybody thinks Hill and Villeneuve aren't good? Don't get me wrong I ain't saying Jenson isn't a great driver. I'm just thinking the impression I get is the teams don't consider him in the top few talents. Just getting the most points doesn't make you the best. It could be argued that he got his wins when the car was the best and Mclaren and Ferrari were floundering, then when they improved he stopped winning. It could be said that Rubens is the driver who won 2 races in a by then less competitive Brawn. I'm just saying, is all. I'm sure many team execs consider Vettel better. I'm just saying... as you can see I like to say things.

Hill was no Senna, Prost or Mansell, but on a good day he could take them all on. And those who say he only won races because he was driving a Williams should re-watch the 1997 Hungarian GP when he nearly won in a crap Arrows, if only he had forced JV even wider and make him spin out...

I think Button seemed to head back towards his best in Brazil and then stepped it up a further notch in Abu Dhabi, which I think proves that he can be one of the best when everything is right.

[Frosty]

I still think it would be a fundamentaly bad idea to have both Jenson and captain invincible in the same team, I just don't see how the car can be designed for their completely opposite driving styles. Though maybe Jenson can teach the captain what tyre management is.