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#155874
Eddie Jordan is on every single news channel giving his opinion on this :yawn:

Why did Symonds only get a 5 year ban while Briatore got a lifetime one? I realise that Flavio isn't as popular as Symonds but from the evidence I saw they both seemed equally culpable in this, in fact Symonds looked like the one responsible for orchestrating the whole thing on race day.


hahah Eddie just likes the sound of his own voice and will talk to ever will listen.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8267726.stm

Heh, the man himself.
#155882
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8267647.stm

Martin Brundle sees true.


"Flavio won't be that much missed":thumbup:

"Nelson Piquet Jnr. is in his 20's, he's a man not a boy, he's responsible for his own decisions. With a drivers head on, I can't believe that he agreed to do it or actually carried it out (the intentional crash). I'd have felt a lot more sympathy for him had he blown the whistle straight after the race if he felt that upset about it. He's waited for a year and to be fired from his job before he felt the need to tell anybody about this. He says he wants to get back into F1...I would have thought he was effectively unemployable because which sponsor wants to be involved with this sorry mess. It's sad for him but he should have said no, he should have taken his own decisions on that or spoken to his dad or anything other than stick that Renault in the wall."

:clap:
#155885
I've mixed views on the matter. If one takes the case out of its Renault context, then the punishments handed out are still ridiculously minimal. Briatore got what he deserved, but why did Symonds only get a five-year ban? He was equally as complicit in the whole affair as Briatore. No doubt, politics were involved here. The FIA has come to dislike Briatore recently, so this was their chance to get him out of the way. Symonds was given a sizeable, but not career-ending punishment, so the WMSC could save face. Arguably, the biggest joke is Piquet Junior not just receiving no punishment at all, but being hailed as some kind of moral compass for uncovering the scandal in which he was culpable, only to get back at his former employers. Alonso not getting punished was fair enough. Whether he was involved or not, we will never really know, but there was no evidence against him.

Putting the affair into its full context also reveals money was a big factor. With Renault's long-term involvement in Formula One uncertain, the FIA opted to basically let them off for what is certainly the most heinous act of cheating unearthed in Formula One history. It is unfair, yes, but I can stomach it if it means another team won't drop out of the "sport", wreck the short-term and medium-term plans of other teams, and put hundreds of people out of work during a recession.

As somebody has already said, the biggest losers in this are Formula One fans. Once again, championships have been tarnished with politics and incompetence. Once again, the sport has been brought into disrepute. When I say I'm a Formula One supporter, most people who have an ounce of grey matter pertaining to current affairs laugh in my face, and not without reason. This has to stop. It never ceases to amaze me that a business of the scale, importance and influence of Formula One has not got proper regulations and a legal framework in place to deal with these sorts of matters. Instead, we have an ad hoc set-up in which punishments are made up the spot and entirely in secret by a group of biased men in grey suits. This is made all the more damning by the fact the FIA is headed up by a lawyer.

I don't see anything changing, certainly not under Todt, and almost certainly not in the unlikely event of Vatanen winning the presidency. It's a massive task and too many people stand to lose out. As I don't see six hundred million people not watching Formula One any time soon, the only thing that could have stopped this farce: a breakaway series. Now, however, we will certainly have to put up with more of this nonesense for ever.
#155891
Your very right McLaren Fan. :yes:

And now that Flavio is out and has to give up his stake in any FIA sanctioned enterprise, whats stopping him from writing a book.. A tell all dirty deeds book on everybody. I don't see him going away with this type of loss without ramifications to the other teams. Im sure there may be some hush money in there, which goes to your point of too many secrets in the FIA and it non-transparent nature.
#155934
Can't say this is shocking, Flavio and Symonds really did an injustice to the sport by performing such a terrible act.

I will say this though, Alonso's phone must be ringing off the hook with offers from teams next year. I highly doubt he'll stay committed to Renault and wait those two years, can't wait to see where he lands.
#155936
Can't say this is shocking, Flavio and Symonds really did an injustice to the sport by performing such a terrible act.

I will say this though, Alonso's phone must be ringing off the hook with offers from teams next year. I highly doubt he'll stay committed to Renault and wait those two years, can't wait to see where he lands.


May I draw your attention to the word 'suspended' in the thread title??
#155942
Got off light then didnt they. Where was the 100 million +fine ???
#155944
So is this "2 year suspended ban" mean that they will continue to race for the rest of the season and then not race in 2010-11?

I am disappointed with this whole scandal and the Renault team. I don't believe for a second that nobody outside of the 3 of them knew, they are just trying to save the reputations of the remaining members of the team I'm sure. I am not saying I think that there were team meetings or anything, I do believe that the three of them are the only ones to have orchestrated the whole thing, but when you are working that closely with a team that size, to say that nobody else knew what was up is ridiculous. They are just trying to save the reputations of the rest of the team, too bad for them that the whole team got banned anyway.

Renault wont be missed next year, their absence means that the Sauber team will get their spot back along side the Lotus team, a much better contribution to the sport IMO.
#155945
So is this "2 year suspended ban" mean that they will continue to race for the rest of the season and then not race in 2010-11?

I am disappointed with this whole scandal and the Renault team. I don't believe for a second that nobody outside of the 3 of them knew, they are just trying to save the reputations of the remaining members of the team I'm sure. I am not saying I think that there were team meetings or anything, I do believe that the three of them are the only ones to have orchestrated the whole thing, but when you are working that closely with a team that size, to say that nobody else knew what was up is ridiculous. They are just trying to save the reputations of the rest of the team, too bad for them that the whole team got banned anyway.

Renault wont be missed next year, their absence means that the Sauber team will get their spot back along side the Lotus team, a much better contribution to the sport IMO.


A suspended ban is like a suspended sentence. It doesn't come in to effect unless you do something else...
#155946
So is this "2 year suspended ban" mean that they will continue to race for the rest of the season and then not race in 2010-11?



No it means they musnt ask a driver to crash in the wall in the next two years or else they get a real punishment.
#155949
Nope
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