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[bud]

1mil pounds each? thats still too low when you have premier league and other soccer players making ridiculous amounts! when will they bring capping into that sport i wonder? they have it in the US and Australian football basketball etc

[Denthúl]

1mil pounds each? thats still too low when you have premier league and other soccer players making ridiculous amounts! when will they bring capping into that sport i wonder? they have it in the US and Australian football basketball etc

I think it's high enough. Footballers need to be brought back to reality, too.

I remember a while ago, some rugby player signed a contract worth just over something like £100,000 per year and people were outraged. You see, real sports have realistic ideas.

[scotty]

Ugh, as if the likes of Ronaldo and Gerrard deserve over £100,000 a week, they're scumbags and completely unprofessional to top it off. Makes me sick.

[Gaz]

Ugh, as if the likes of Ronaldo and Gerrard deserve over £100,000 a week, they're scumbags and completely unprofessional to top it off. Makes me sick.

Yeh and when was the last time you saw a football walk of a pitch then faint from dehydration and with burns on the back of their neck?

[Denthúl]

Ugh, as if the likes of Ronaldo and Gerrard deserve over £100,000 a week, they're scumbags and completely unprofessional to top it off. Makes me sick.

One of the many reasons I don't watch much football. And when I do, it's usually conference division matches. Where real people play.

[Frosty]

driver salaries should be included! though im sure They would go around it by getting "personal" sponsorship for each driver to up their income above the salary!

I think there may be quite a few loop holes in this budget capping.
What I don't understand is how the engines is going to work for example Mercedes Motorsport produce a lot of stuff mainly engines but also KERS for McLaren and McLaren don't pay them they get it all for free so Mercedes just spend what they want but then Mercedes also have customers who they sell engines and other equipment to such as Force India and Brawn. So how should Mercedes Motorsport F1 budget be capped because if it was Included in McLarens budget cap that would be unfair because McLaren have to produce 3 times the amount of engines without being able to spend any extra money. But on the other hand if Mercedes Motor sport was not capped they would go around spending huge amounts of money on drive train production.
What about Red Bull they have Red Bull Racing and Toro Rosso both teams share a huge amount of development work so how do you quantify who has spent what.

[Denthúl]

driver salaries should be included! though im sure They would go around it by getting "personal" sponsorship for each driver to up their income above the salary!

I think there may be quite a few loop holes in this budget capping.
What I don't understand is how the engines is going to work for example Mercedes Motorsport produce a lot of stuff mainly engines but also KERS for McLaren and McLaren don't pay them they get it all for free so Mercedes just spend what they want but then Mercedes also have customers who they sell engines and other equipment to such as Force India and Brawn. So how should Mercedes Motorsport F1 budget be capped because if it was Included in McLarens budget cap that would be unfair because McLaren have to produce 3 times the amount of engines without being able to spend any extra money. But on the other hand if Mercedes Motor sport was not capped they would go around spending huge amounts of money on drive train production.
What about Red Bull they have Red Bull Racing and Toro Rosso both teams share a huge amount of development work so how do you quantify who has spent what.

I think engine production costs will fall outside of the budget cap, but the teams will still have to pay for the engine supply within the cap.

Also, McLaren would lose nothing from their budget if Mercedes continued to supply more teams - McLaren and Mercedes-Benz High Performance Engines (I think that's the company name) are two separate entities.

[scotty]

What about Red Bull they have Red Bull Racing and Toro Rosso both teams share a huge amount of development work so how do you quantify who has spent what.

STR won't be allowed to use 'customer cars' from next season i believe...

[Denthúl]

What about Red Bull they have Red Bull Racing and Toro Rosso both teams share a huge amount of development work so how do you quantify who has spent what.

STR won't be allowed to use 'customer cars' from next season i believe...

Which makes me wonder. Will Newey design two different cars, or will he leave STR to deal with things on their own? Will STR even exist next year? I think that's a more important question.

[scotty]

What about Red Bull they have Red Bull Racing and Toro Rosso both teams share a huge amount of development work so how do you quantify who has spent what.

STR won't be allowed to use 'customer cars' from next season i believe...

Which makes me wonder. Will Newey design two different cars, or will he leave STR to deal with things on their own? Will STR even exist next year? I think that's a more important question.

I think someone will buy them. I can't see why Newey would design two different cars cause he'd surely be designing one that he knows wouldn't be as good as the other, and that doesn't make sense.

[Frosty]

driver salaries should be included! though im sure They would go around it by getting "personal" sponsorship for each driver to up their income above the salary!

Also, McLaren would lose nothing from their budget if Mercedes continued to supply more teams - McLaren and Mercedes-Benz High Performance Engines (I think that's the company name) are two separate entities.

The thing is if Mercedes-Benz High Performance Engines are spending £50million (The amount they spent in the 07 season I believe) a year on drive train R&D + manufacturing yet charging McLaren nothing for the Drive Train how is that fair on the other teams?

[Frosty]

What about Red Bull they have Red Bull Racing and Toro Rosso both teams share a huge amount of development work so how do you quantify who has spent what.

STR won't be allowed to use 'customer cars' from next season i believe...

Good point forgot about the customer car rule.

[Denthúl]

driver salaries should be included! though im sure They would go around it by getting "personal" sponsorship for each driver to up their income above the salary!

Also, McLaren would lose nothing from their budget if Mercedes continued to supply more teams - McLaren and Mercedes-Benz High Performance Engines (I think that's the company name) are two separate entities.

The thing is if Mercedes-Benz High Performance Engines are spending £50million (The amount they spent in the 07 season I believe) a year on drive train R&D + manufacturing yet charging McLaren nothing for the Drive Train how is that fair on the other teams?

Like I said, the fair way would be that McLaren would still have to purchase equipment from Mercedes at the same price it would cost for any other team. That way, any Mercedes-powered team gets the benefits of that spending and not just McLaren. The alternative would be to cap the amount that an engine supplier can spend on research and development as well.

[scotty]

driver salaries should be included! though im sure They would go around it by getting "personal" sponsorship for each driver to up their income above the salary!

Also, McLaren would lose nothing from their budget if Mercedes continued to supply more teams - McLaren and Mercedes-Benz High Performance Engines (I think that's the company name) are two separate entities.

The thing is if Mercedes-Benz High Performance Engines are spending £50million (The amount they spent in the 07 season I believe) a year on drive train R&D + manufacturing yet charging McLaren nothing for the Drive Train how is that fair on the other teams?

Surely as shareholders in McLaren they would have to be included under the entire McLaren budget? Interesting point actually, if Mercedes HPE aren't hypothetically considered part of the McLaren budget, what would there be to stop say, Ferrari or Renault creating a new engine division which is technically/legally separate from the main company, and using it as a loophole to increase their capped budget?

[bud]

McLaren dont and wont buy anything from Mercedes as the latter owns 40% of McLaren. McLaren Mercedes is a works team. any spending done by Mercedes is therefore by McLaren.