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[Gaz]

Ferrari have been looking like amateurs since last season. They show some signs of brilliance, but also signs of desperation and plain mediocracy. Of course, the times are difficult, the changes were too many, they have the diffuser issue, they started developing later for this yr... anyway i dont think it is a 'downfall'. It will probably get sorted out before the season ends.

I agree, they're not stupid, they've just lost their way a little bit. McLaren too.

Mclaren have lost there way by pulling stunts like oz but the stratagy has been good Oz especialy.

[stonemonkey]

Ferrari's Race/Qualifying Strategy this year is way more shameful than Mclarens post race Strategy. Mclaren doesn't claim to be a Law firm, So their behavior in front of the stewards to me isn't nearly as embarrassing as Ferrari (The # 1 Racing team) sending a driver out on full wets when the track is dry .

You don't have to be a law firm to realise that lying to the stewards in an attempt to knobble a competitor is morally very very wrong. Making a few bonehead decisions during a race pales in comparison.

Boneheaded is an understatement, There was no way in Hell that full wets on a dry track was a good move. Do the math. Full Wets on a dry track will lose app. 40 to 50 seconds a lap and will be totally useless after 3 laps, including being useless in wet conditions. Even if it started raining after 2 laps he would have lost over a minute. It would only cost app. 40 seconds to come in and change tires, and if it was pouring rain everyone else would be coming in for Wet tires also and that 40 seconds wouldn't cost as much as 1 lap on Wet tires on a dry track. If they sent him out on Intermediates it would have been an excusable gamble, but sending him out on full wets was pure stupidity.

I dunno, if they knew something on the car was failing then putting on wets and hoping for rain and the race getting stopped might've been the only thing to do to try to salvage anything.

[csrracer]

It still doesn't work out mathematically in lap times, and they sure made no attempt at salvaging Dignity.

[AKR]

I think Im smashed. 2 veliko kozarec oops imean big g;asses of home full made vino.................... FERRARI will never go back to the bullshiit pre schumacher dAYS. FERRARI will bounce back. F1 afterall is all about nFerrari. Im currently wearing mu GREAY Chelsea jersey with my Italia jacket cos Chelsea is the greatest football team in England and Italia the greatest overall. I am also watching the 2008 F1 season review. Just gpot to Brazil now and can see cheating Hamilton rob the title from Massa who crossed the line first as the first world champion before Hamitlon crossed the line. In my opinion Massa is the true 2008 champion because he was passed the line first and racing afterall is all about who comes first. Ferrari 4eva, Italia 4eva, Slovenija 4eva, Chelsea 4eva, Juve 4eva, VAFFANCULO AL RESTO PERCHE NON ME NE FREGA ATTRAMENTE!!!!! *LOL*

So you like Ferrari AND support Chelsea? I bet you've been a lifetime Chelsea fan since 2004 too haven't you?
Poor fcuker!

You grande testa di cazzo. I have been Chelsea since Viali was there in 1997. He was a great players that helped Juve the year before win the champions league and Intercontinental Cup (Now called the Club World Cup). And given I am Italian and in 1997 was only 12 years old that is good enough to be a lifetime as far as an English club is concerned. And Ferari and Juve, supporter since I can remember knowing what F1 and football were. Stronzo!

[Number1Formula1]

i also have a feeling that kimi have somehow lost the fighting spirit after winning his WDC2007....looking back to 2008 and so far in 2009...
... but hopefully i am wrong

I dont think its a lack of motivation, I think he was just pissed that Ferrai messed up his race. He was running really well until that stupid decision.

Kimi seems pissed off all the time with Ferrari (Esp 08)
I think that's what's demotivating him, going from all the glory as a world champion, to beeing 'used' by Ferrari as a coushion
for Massa etc.

[Hamilton]

Brawn: Ferrari, McLaren will catch up
Tuesday, April 7th 2009

Ross Brawn thinks it inevitable that Ferrari and McLaren will recover from their disastrous start to the campaign and soon start putting his dominant team under pressure.

Jenson Button has taken victory in the first two races of the year for Brawn GP, with last year's title front-runners McLaren and Ferrari having scored just one point between them.

And although people are hailing a 'new world order' in F1 this year, Brawn is convinced that the current formbook is not indicative of how things will pan out for the rest of the season.

Instead, he believes that what is happening at the moment is simply the result of those teams who switched development onto their 2009 cars early having a head start on those that kept pushing with their 2008 machines until the end of the year.

"It is a reflection on what has gone on in the last year or two," said Brawn. "With such a big change in regulations, McLaren and Ferrari had a championship to fight and I can understand that it was very difficult for them to say, 'look we'll stop pushing this year and put our effort into next year'.

"For us it wasn't even a clever decision, it was a very easy one - we didn't have a very good car so why waste time on it? For them it was a much more difficult decision, but they are both very strong and fantastic engineering companies, so they will sort it out.

"I think they are just paying the price for winning the championship last year. Because normally you develop a car and, if you are fighting for the championship, that same car goes forward into the next championship, so you don't lose things.

"Everything they did last year for the championship was in the bin after the last race, so it was gone. We now have slick tyres and new aerodynamics, so everything they did at the end of last year they could virtually throw away."

Although Brawn is delighted by what his team has delivered in the first phase of the season, he admits the start to the year has been ‘difficult' off track – with the outfit needing to make 270 redundancies.

"It's a very unfortunate process," he explained. "Obviously it has been going on while I have been away so I have not been involved first hand in the process, but it is just very difficult.

"Especially with everyone at the factory having produced such a good car, to say to people 'We can't give you a future anymore' is very difficult. But we had over 700 people and that's not viable for us to continue at that level.

"We have treated everyone with respect and we have done everything that we can to give them a good chance of a future. We have all of our employees on the same terms and conditions as they would have got if Honda had closed the company.

"They were fairly reasonable, and certainly above statutory, but they deserved it. They have done a great job, it is just a shame that we can't justify keeping so many people.

"So it is a very difficult period. Just now try to look forward and put that side behind us and try and build the company for the future. I think in reality if we had kept 700 people we wouldn't have been around very long, it just was impossible."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74340

[m00g]

I think Im smashed. 2 veliko kozarec oops imean big g;asses of home full made vino.................... FERRARI will never go back to the bullshiit pre schumacher dAYS. FERRARI will bounce back. F1 afterall is all about nFerrari. Im currently wearing mu GREAY Chelsea jersey with my Italia jacket cos Chelsea is the greatest football team in England and Italia the greatest overall. I am also watching the 2008 F1 season review. Just gpot to Brazil now and can see cheating Hamilton rob the title from Massa who crossed the line first as the first world champion before Hamitlon crossed the line. In my opinion Massa is the true 2008 champion because he was passed the line first and racing afterall is all about who comes first. Ferrari 4eva, Italia 4eva, Slovenija 4eva, Chelsea 4eva, Juve 4eva, VAFFANCULO AL RESTO PERCHE NON ME NE FREGA ATTRAMENTE!!!!! *LOL*

So you like Ferrari AND support Chelsea? I bet you've been a lifetime Chelsea fan since 2004 too haven't you?
Poor fcuker!

You grande testa di cazzo. I have been Chelsea since Viali was there in 1997. He was a great players that helped Juve the year before win the champions league and Intercontinental Cup (Now called the Club World Cup). And given I am Italian and in 1997 was only 12 years old that is good enough to be a lifetime as far as an English club is concerned. And Ferari and Juve, supporter since I can remember knowing what F1 and football were. Stronzo!

So you support 2 football teams. Hedging your bets are you?

And why is supporting a team for 12 years good enough to be a lifetime as far as an English club is concerned? Are you intimating that we change our clubs every weekend? Considering I've been supporting one club since 1980 I'd say that makes you sound like you haven't got a clue what you are talking about me old chum!

And you support Ferrari!

[Gaz]

I think Im smashed. 2 veliko kozarec oops imean big g;asses of home full made vino.................... FERRARI will never go back to the bullshiit pre schumacher dAYS. FERRARI will bounce back. F1 afterall is all about nFerrari. Im currently wearing mu GREAY Chelsea jersey with my Italia jacket cos Chelsea is the greatest football team in England and Italia the greatest overall. I am also watching the 2008 F1 season review. Just gpot to Brazil now and can see cheating Hamilton rob the title from Massa who crossed the line first as the first world champion before Hamitlon crossed the line. In my opinion Massa is the true 2008 champion because he was passed the line first and racing afterall is all about who comes first. Ferrari 4eva, Italia 4eva, Slovenija 4eva, Chelsea 4eva, Juve 4eva, VAFFANCULO AL RESTO PERCHE NON ME NE FREGA ATTRAMENTE!!!!! *LOL*

Mclaren will catch up before Ferrari and win the WDC and WCC.

Button and Massa will be devistated again.

[bud]

Yeah and if it started pissing down Kimi and Ferrari would have been hero's when you dont have the pure pace to win taking massive gambles is sometimes all you can do to get the win! f*** we are only 1.5 races into a season full of new reg changes so there is going to be alot of topsy turvy results. But there is still plenty to play for so no need for drastic assumptions of Ferrari or McLaren just yet.

[csrracer]

Yeah and if it started pissing down Kimi and Ferrari would have been hero's when you dont have the pure pace to win taking massive gambles is sometimes all you can do to get the win! f*** we are only 1.5 races into a season full of new reg changes so there is going to be alot of topsy turvy results. But there is still plenty to play for so no need for drastic assumptions of Ferrari or McLaren just yet.

Only if the Skies opened up as he was in the Pits still, Because after 1 lap on wets in the dry he would have already lost more time than it would take for a 2nd pit stop. By the 2nd lap he would have been app. 50 seconds behind without a downpour and by the 3rd lap his tires would have been no good even in the wet. Intermediates would have been a better Gamble...

[Jensonb]

Mclaren will catch up before Ferrari and win the WDC and WCC.

Button and Massa will be devistated again.

Good one

[bud]

Yeah and if it started pissing down Kimi and Ferrari would have been hero's when you dont have the pure pace to win taking massive gambles is sometimes all you can do to get the win! f*** we are only 1.5 races into a season full of new reg changes so there is going to be alot of topsy turvy results. But there is still plenty to play for so no need for drastic assumptions of Ferrari or McLaren just yet.

Only if the Skies opened up as he was in the Pits still, Because after 1 lap on wets in the dry he would have already lost more time than it would take for a 2nd pit stop. By the 2nd lap he would have been app. 50 seconds behind without a downpour and by the 3rd lap his tires would have been no good even in the wet. Intermediates would have been a better Gamble...

like the saying no guts no glory. they took a gamble which didnt pay off so in hindsight made a really bad call!

[f1ea]

Ferrari have been looking like amateurs since last season. They show some signs of brilliance, but also signs of desperation and plain mediocracy. Of course, the times are difficult, the changes were too many, they have the diffuser issue, they started developing later for this yr... anyway i dont think it is a 'downfall'. It will probably get sorted out before the season ends.

I agree, they're not stupid, they've just lost their way a little bit. McLaren too.

Mclaren have lost there way by pulling stunts like oz but the stratagy has been good Oz especialy.

I dont see Mclaren as losing their ways just for what happened at Australia. Regardless... Mclaren as a team have been working a lot better than Ferrari since last yr. (Except for Heikki, he's been terrible). The new Mclaren car is not that good, but as a team they have been doing things well enough in both races. Whereas Ferrari have been making mistakes, despite the F60 currently being faster than the MP.

[Jensonb]

Ferrari have been looking like amateurs since last season. They show some signs of brilliance, but also signs of desperation and plain mediocracy. Of course, the times are difficult, the changes were too many, they have the diffuser issue, they started developing later for this yr... anyway i dont think it is a 'downfall'. It will probably get sorted out before the season ends.

I agree, they're not stupid, they've just lost their way a little bit. McLaren too.

Mclaren have lost there way by pulling stunts like oz but the stratagy has been good Oz especialy.

I dont see Mclaren as losing their ways just for what happened at Australia. Regardless... Mclaren as a team have been working a lot better than Ferrari since last yr. (Except for Heikki, he's been terrible). The new Mclaren car is not that good, but as a team they have been doing things well enough in both races. Whereas Ferrari have been making mistakes, despite the F60 currently being faster than the MP.

Well, they did go down an aerodynamic blind alley and their offtrack antics have been a trifle mis-guided. That's what I meant.

[AKR]

I think Im smashed. 2 veliko kozarec oops imean big g;asses of home full made vino.................... FERRARI will never go back to the bullshiit pre schumacher dAYS. FERRARI will bounce back. F1 afterall is all about nFerrari. Im currently wearing mu GREAY Chelsea jersey with my Italia jacket cos Chelsea is the greatest football team in England and Italia the greatest overall. I am also watching the 2008 F1 season review. Just gpot to Brazil now and can see cheating Hamilton rob the title from Massa who crossed the line first as the first world champion before Hamitlon crossed the line. In my opinion Massa is the true 2008 champion because he was passed the line first and racing afterall is all about who comes first. Ferrari 4eva, Italia 4eva, Slovenija 4eva, Chelsea 4eva, Juve 4eva, VAFFANCULO AL RESTO PERCHE NON ME NE FREGA ATTRAMENTE!!!!! *LOL*

So you like Ferrari AND support Chelsea? I bet you've been a lifetime Chelsea fan since 2004 too haven't you?
Poor fcuker!

You grande testa di cazzo. I have been Chelsea since Viali was there in 1997. He was a great players that helped Juve the year before win the champions league and Intercontinental Cup (Now called the Club World Cup). And given I am Italian and in 1997 was only 12 years old that is good enough to be a lifetime as far as an English club is concerned. And Ferari and Juve, supporter since I can remember knowing what F1 and football were. Stronzo!

So you support 2 football teams. Hedging your bets are you?

And why is supporting a team for 12 years good enough to be a lifetime as far as an English club is concerned? Are you intimating that we change our clubs every weekend? Considering I've been supporting one club since 1980 I'd say that makes you sound like you haven't got a clue what you are talking about me old chum!

And you support Ferrari!

You must be the biggest bozo on the planet. I suppport Juventus. But I have an interest in the EPL. Juventus OBVIOUSLY do not play in the EPL, just like say Liverpool cant play in Serie A. So in the EPL i go for Chelsea. It is that simple. And in Italy people mostly follow Serie A just like in England most people follow the EPL. So being Italian living in Italy how the hell am I supposed to be bought up knowing the EPL. So at age 12 I first hear of Chelsea when Viali from Juventus moves there and I learn to like the EPL and follow Chelsea. I was 12 years old when that happened. Prior to that there was no way of me ever knowing much about English Football when all I saw was Italian football. And I am not an old chum. You can probably guess my age unless you're dumb if you know I was 12 in 1997. And yes I follow Ferrari. Who else am I gona follow.