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[Jamie]

This will be a dispute that will go round for a long time to come but in the end it will come down to the fact of what the FIA will agree on and I guarantee they will keep them. They don't want to have wasted all that money on KERS then to have to mod the cars all over again.

[Denthúl]

Or just allow it to be legal in future. The cars did not seem to struggle following each other around the circuit today. There was plenty of overtaking to see, so they obviously aren't nearly half as disruptive as people like Flavio Briatore are claiming.

The problem here is that there hasn't been enough discussion, that I've seen, concerning whether or not the diffuser really should be legal, given an objective reading of the rules. If the loophole is valid, then they should be allowed. But if an objective reading of the rules shows that the diffusers have been wrongly allowed, then that's an entirely different viewpoint altogether. I'm not commenting on whether the diffusers should or should not be allowed as I feel that I haven't investigated the regulations and solutions to really know what the true case is. And I see lots of posts (not yours Denthúl) where people seem to apply quite spurious reasons for claiming that the diffusers should be legal or not.

The fault is with the FIA in my opinion, in either case. I do not accept that rules can't be written without all these loopholes in them. And I'm unconvinced that the "legality" decisions coming from the FIA and Charlie Whiting are always sensible. In that environment, the teams MUST try to exploit loopholes or be left behind by those teams that do.

I just decided to avoid the legal/illegal discussion on the basis that, having been passed by Charlie Whiting, Jo Bauer, the scrutineers and then the subsequent appeal being thrown out by the stewards, it is likely to be thrown out provided the FIA Court of Appeal don't make another stupid decision.

As for the loopholes, I agree with you to an extent. The rules need to be written and tested thoroughly before being finalised to remove these loopholes. Alternatively, the rules need to be scrapped and innovation should be encouraged. Both courses of action would make me happy, though the latter is a bit of a dream.

[Bladesman]

I hope Ferrari also comes out of their disastrous start this season....can they overcome????

Probably. Their start last year was just as bad, but with testing banned it makes it harder to predict.

It was a bad result, but had Kimi not spinned he would have finished on podium, so it's still ok for ferrari. They don't need major changes to improve. Maclaren on the other hand scored the maximum and needed help from other drivers and teams to get it.

Mclaren always requires other teams to win races...last race in 2008, Hamilton required Timo Glock to win the championship...Race today, Ferrari was atleast ahead of both the Mclarens in the pole positions.

Indeed they were, means diddleysquat though if it doesnt transfer to results.

Exactly.

Look at how many points thrown away by Ferrari last season when In winning positions.

Points mean prizes

[Gert]

As for the off-the-start advantge, the German commentry team mentioned that KERS can't be used under 100 km/h.

[Jensonb]

As for the off-the-start advantge, the German commentry team mentioned that KERS can't be used under 100 km/h.

Yep, but given the acceleration of an F1 car, that means it comes live well before braking for turn 1

[FerrariFan63]

Indeed they were, means diddleysquat though if it doesnt transfer to results.

Exactly.

Look at how many points thrown away by Ferrari last season when In winning positions.

Points mean prizes

Looking at last year in hindsight, it doesn't mean much. But we've only had one race this year. And the relative positions of the teams for this year are much more important for the championship this year than the actual results from this race. So it does mean something this year with most races still remaining.

[EwanM]

Indeed they were, means diddleysquat though if it doesnt transfer to results.

Exactly.

Look at how many points thrown away by Ferrari last season when In winning positions.

Points mean prizes

Looking at last year in hindsight, it doesn't mean much. But we've only had one race this year. And the relative positions of the teams for this year are much more important for the championship this year than the actual results from this race. So it does mean something this year with most races still remaining.

Still a long long way to go. I think the pecking order will change even by next weekend! Due to a number of circumstances we've not seen everyone's full potential yet.

[Frosty]

As the KERS system was introduced as a sop to the energy conservation brigade, I assume cars leave the garage for assembly on the grid with KERS at zero. If so, what are bets on collisions on the formation lap, when the KERS users accelerate and then stamp on the brakes to charge the KERS system, only to be hit from behind by a non Kers car?
We shall see.
Grumpyone.

From what I have heard you can charge KERS in the garage not sure about how they would do that for Williams though.

[Jamie]

7 secs...but when u look at it from another angle its like the old Crash bandicoot games when u got that little boost for a while? Seems to be more of a game than anything. Imagine playing F1 2009 now? I get a little boost on the corner?

[Jamie]

I think this race gives you a taster? But with the un-successful Ferrari this means more pushing time and this also means that the 2 have to get there heads down in order to win. Loses to them is an advantage because then they push more. Plus they will be designing the new Diffuser so they are backed now imagine the raw pace with a new diffuser on there back
Yum, yum I taste tears from other teams

[drew24]

back to my question. Can the teams who currently have KERS opted for example to remove KERS for a particular race?

Yes or No? Why? Just want to know. Maybe some teams just might be thinking about it.

[scotty]

back to my question. Can the teams who currently have KERS opted for example to remove KERS for a particular race?

Yes or No? Why? Just want to know. Maybe some teams just might be thinking about it.

I think so, i think that's what BMW did this weekend with Kubica.

[Frosty]

back to my question. Can the teams who currently have KERS opted for example to remove KERS for a particular race?

Yes or No? Why? Just want to know. Maybe some teams just might be thinking about it.

If they don't want to run KERS they could easily remove it I guess it would take few hours but could be done then you could use the weight of KERS on ballast.

[Jensonb]

back to my question. Can the teams who currently have KERS opted for example to remove KERS for a particular race?

Yes or No? Why? Just want to know. Maybe some teams just might be thinking about it.

If they don't want to run KERS they could easily remove it I guess it would take few hours but could be done then you could use the weight of KERS on ballast.

The decision is being made to use or not use it race-by-race

[Jamie]

Indeed they were, means diddleysquat though if it doesnt transfer to results.

Exactly.

Look at how many points thrown away by Ferrari last season when In winning positions.

Points mean prizes

Looking at last year in hindsight, it doesn't mean much. But we've only had one race this year. And the relative positions of the teams for this year are much more important for the championship this year than the actual results from this race. So it does mean something this year with most races still remaining.

Still a long long way to go. I think the pecking order will change even by next weekend! Due to a number of circumstances we've not seen everyone's full potential yet.

Yeah I think sometimes were retards like that I can remember Massa was a lap away from winning and the car blew up
I can remember my misses saying lets go KFC get a bucket and come back. I thought com'on F1 is a set sport, he was 5 laps away, had a lovely dinner, great Buttered up corn on the cob, got my beer out the fridge, banged on the set and it said Massa lost? I think I popped a vein on my head that day