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#76259
I do tend to post exaggerations of my ideas.

Anyway, I'll elaborate a little more. Let's look at how drivers do and don't get points:

Great drivers fail to score points when their cars retire on them or someone punts them. They get less than 10 points when they are asked to move over for thier teammates(I'm not against that, that's a different discussion) or can't keep up with the car ahead which happens to be the class of the field and driven by an average driver, or get some kind of penalty. Great drivers also make the odd mistake.

Average drivers can collect lots of points(sometimes enough to win the title) by having teammates move over for them, or by benefitting from someone crashing, retiring for any reason, or gettting a penalty or a botched pit stop etc. Driving the best car in the field and crashing into your rival are also 2 ways to get points regardless of your skill level.

Yes a great driver can overcome these obstacles and have the most points at the end, even in the 2nd or 3rd best car. There's no question Lauda did that and so did Senna. I don't really think it happens all that often.

Let's keep in mind it's difficult to compare Lauda's .5 point title to the present day since the complexion of the sport was so different then and the way cars were compared was by a totally different table of criteria and not to mention the completely different set of technical regs etc. The difference between the cars was so different then.

I guess what I'm trying to say and of course everyone here knows it, getting alot of points is not the same thing as being the best driver.

Oh and Brads rule!
By Tony_sa
#76261
I do tend to post exaggerations of my ideas.

Anyway, I'll elaborate a little more. Let's look at how drivers do and don't get points:.................>>

I guess what I'm trying to say and of course everyone here knows it, getting alot of points is not the same thing as being the best driver.<<

Oh and Brads rule!


:thumbup::clap::confused: .. ok guess you right ...............or ...... no you are right .... yes you are .....
#76305
I started it when I said Massa needs Kimi to take out Hammy in Japan, then I said it again for China. People(I mean over sensitive Hammy fans) took it to mean I WANT this to happen.

Hammy does have the option of crashing into Massa. It is not without precedent. He would probably hava all his points stripped though, as happened that last time.


Lewis wants to win on the track, he wants to be the best more than he wants to be the chanpion...and therin lies some of the problems he is encountering.


He won't be considered the best until he becomes champion. Taking Massa out should not even be in his mind as he should win the title, all he needs to do is keep cool and play it conservative.


I'll go one step further to say he wont be considered one of the sports greats until he makes a difference in a team...
#76317
I started it when I said Massa needs Kimi to take out Hammy in Japan, then I said it again for China. People(I mean over sensitive Hammy fans) took it to mean I WANT this to happen.

Hammy does have the option of crashing into Massa. It is not without precedent. He would probably hava all his points stripped though, as happened that last time.


Lewis wants to win on the track, he wants to be the best more than he wants to be the chanpion...and therin lies some of the problems he is encountering.


He won't be considered the best until he becomes champion. Taking Massa out should not even be in his mind as he should win the title, all he needs to do is keep cool and play it conservative.


I'll go one step further to say he wont be considered one of the sports greats until he makes a difference in a team...

Somehow I don't see Hamilton being put in a position where he has the power to decide who he wants the team to employ no expenses spared, or being allowed to have a say in how a team is run.
#76330
I started it when I said Massa needs Kimi to take out Hammy in Japan, then I said it again for China. People(I mean over sensitive Hammy fans) took it to mean I WANT this to happen.

Hammy does have the option of crashing into Massa. It is not without precedent. He would probably hava all his points stripped though, as happened that last time.


Lewis wants to win on the track, he wants to be the best more than he wants to be the chanpion...and therin lies some of the problems he is encountering.


He won't be considered the best until he becomes champion. Taking Massa out should not even be in his mind as he should win the title, all he needs to do is keep cool and play it conservative.


I'll go one step further to say he wont be considered one of the sports greats until he makes a difference in a team...

Somehow I don't see Hamilton being put in a position where he has the power to decide who he wants the team to employ no expenses spared, or being allowed to have a say in how a team is run.


If he goes to Ferrari and wins multiple world titles then he may get a say in how the team is run :D
By Tony_sa
#76331
I started it when I said Massa needs Kimi to take out Hammy in Japan, then I said it again for China. People(I mean over sensitive Hammy fans) took it to mean I WANT this to happen.

Hammy does have the option of crashing into Massa. It is not without precedent. He would probably hava all his points stripped though, as happened that last time.


Lewis wants to win on the track, he wants to be the best more than he wants to be the chanpion...and therin lies some of the problems he is encountering.


He won't be considered the best until he becomes champion. Taking Massa out should not even be in his mind as he should win the title, all he needs to do is keep cool and play it conservative.


I'll go one step further to say he wont be considered one of the sports greats until he makes a difference in a team...

Somehow I don't see Hamilton being put in a position where he has the power to decide who he wants the team to employ no expenses spared, or being allowed to have a say in how a team is run.


If he goes to Ferrari and wins multiple world titles then he may get a say in how the team is run :D

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#76518
I started it when I said Massa needs Kimi to take out Hammy in Japan, then I said it again for China. People(I mean over sensitive Hammy fans) took it to mean I WANT this to happen.

Hammy does have the option of crashing into Massa. It is not without precedent. He would probably hava all his points stripped though, as happened that last time.


Lewis wants to win on the track, he wants to be the best more than he wants to be the chanpion...and therin lies some of the problems he is encountering.


He won't be considered the best until he becomes champion. Taking Massa out should not even be in his mind as he should win the title, all he needs to do is keep cool and play it conservative.


I'll go one step further to say he wont be considered one of the sports greats until he makes a difference in a team...

Somehow I don't see Hamilton being put in a position where he has the power to decide who he wants the team to employ no expenses spared, or being allowed to have a say in how a team is run.


No, for that he's got his daddy... :rolleyes:
#77059
I started it when I said Massa needs Kimi to take out Hammy in Japan, then I said it again for China. People(I mean over sensitive Hammy fans) took it to mean I WANT this to happen.

Hammy does have the option of crashing into Massa. It is not without precedent. He would probably hava all his points stripped though, as happened that last time.


Lewis wants to win on the track, he wants to be the best more than he wants to be the chanpion...and therin lies some of the problems he is encountering.


He won't be considered the best until he becomes champion. Taking Massa out should not even be in his mind as he should win the title, all he needs to do is keep cool and play it conservative.


I'll go one step further to say he wont be considered one of the sports greats until he makes a difference in a team...

Somehow I don't see Hamilton being put in a position where he has the power to decide who he wants the team to employ no expenses spared, or being allowed to have a say in how a team is run.


No, for that he's got his daddy... :rolleyes:


You mean his manager. :rolleyes: Yep thats the sort of thing a managr might try. Schueys did.

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