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[darwin dali]

They didn't struggle at the end though did they. If you're getting poles and race wins I'm sorry to say that it tends to say you're car is pretty quick...

Even then Red Bull got 3 wins and 4 poles in the first half of the season - struggled at the start of the season my arse!

Oh, your arse struggled, too? With what?

[andrew]

They didn't struggle at the end though did they. If you're getting poles and race wins I'm sorry to say that it tends to say you're car is pretty quick...

Even then Red Bull got 3 wins and 4 poles in the first half of the season - struggled at the start of the season my arse!

Races 1 to 13: 3 poles and 3 wins. Vettel 4th and Webber 5th in the drivers.

Pretty poor by RBR standards based on the previous 2 seasons.

[scotty]

Small correction for you - indeed 4 poles in that period as Webber is recognised as polesitter at Monaco. Regardless - not really 'struggling' in the slightest, absolutely no freaking way.

And just to further weight this 'not struggling' theory, Red Bull were definitely second quickest car at the opener at Melbourne AND they led the WCC from Bahrain (round FOUR) onward!

[andrew]

There's no correction needed. On lap times Schumacher was on pole but they benefitted from his penalty. So the 2nd fastest guy was on pole.

Doesn't matter how you paint it Scotty, they were struggling by their standards based on the previous 2 seasons!

They were the only team being consistent with both drivers in reasonable point paying positions so clearly that's why they were doing well in the constructors but they were not doing quite so well in the drivers. If anything McLaren and Ferrari were the fastest early on. RBR were 3rd fastest at best. Luckily they came good later on.

[bud]

Andrew you're acting like Vettel out drove his car, we are bringing you back down to reality. Scottie's points are valid.

[andrew]

No I'm not. I've said all along that the Red Bull improved throughout the season. Try reading what is written first and you'll see that.

[bud]

I would say that Alonso and Vettel are faster as evidenced by neither having the fastest car for most of the season.

[andrew]

And? The Red Bull didn't come good until Singapore by which time most of the season was past. The Ferrari was faster than the Red Bull but the McLaren was the fastest but the team were not at their best. As I said, based on the previous 2 season where RBR walked over everyone this season was a struggle. Get it yet?

[bud]

What you're not getting it did come good well before Singapore as already pointed out!

[andrew]

You still are not properly reading what I wrote!

I have said all along, based on their form in the previous 2 seasons where RBR they struggled.

I've explained my point as clearly as I can. If you don't understand that, it is not my problem. Move on, accept that we are not going to agree and go play with someone else.

[Jabberwocky]

I honestly do not see how people are saying redbull are the best line up. MW has been no where near SV's pace.

[andrew]

For me it's about the two drivers not taking points off each other. Webber is a pretty good no. 2 and that has really helped RBR.

[Jabberwocky]

But a strongest line up is what a team is looking for. A team is only interested in points scored not by which driver.

[andrew]

So who would that be?

[racechick]

That only applies if there's a prima Donna in the team. Surly the best pairing is two outright races that are happy to go up against each other and are capable of scoring in that situation. That rules out a few top drivers.