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[LewEngBridewell]

Turkey has rich history but Bernie wants money more!If we did loads of ads however ,the tourists coming to see the historical places would attend.Its right that you dont get the story by going to a GP for example when i went to the GP this year i got nothing except the amount of pit stops,next day my friend explained me.

That was a right point bout racing culture.Its new in Turkey we never had racers thats such new so it takes a while to raise the interest.For example i am almost 16 ,people at my age sometimes follow but my sister is 9 and her mates follow it more because they are raised with that culture.

I went to watch the GP on the main grandstand and it was full-why didnt they put these places on TV anyway?!- and people there had passion but there were less people with intense passion than the ones on the hills or the stands with lower prices.However everyone was shouting when Webber overtook Alonso.

And if any of you guys would like to help us, can you give your name here it is just a help for Turkish GP.We tried this way for bringing Senna Movie to Turkey and it worked! :

http://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/f1turkiye

The track is a loss leader. There is no place for loss leaders on the calander. That is the simple decision for MrE to make. If he was to keep a loss leader on the calander, especially when there are more deserving tracks that are screaming out for a GP, then he wouldn't be doing his job and wouldn't be generating the return demanded by CVC's investors. It's a pretty simple way that this works.

Let's face it, Istanbul Park is hardly a classic. It's not up there with Spa Francorchamps, Suzuka, Imola, A1 Ring, Monza or Magny Cours (to name a few of excellent circuits that I can remember seeing F1 race at). If it was to go, I would imagine that very few would lament its loss. Sure there is turn 8 but we can get our fix of corners like this at Spa and Suzuka.

The solution is simple though. If Turkey want to keep their F1 race then they better start going, no amount of petitioning is going to outweigh the financial aspect of the race. Simple as that. Sure it's expensive but the prices are probably the lowest they can be given the number of parties who get a slice of the race revenue.

Magny Cours???????

I like it and it has prouced good races in the past.

Hmmmm, I wouldn't rank it way up with the all time greats though, no way. But, each to their own.

[andrew]

Turkey has rich history but Bernie wants money more!If we did loads of ads however ,the tourists coming to see the historical places would attend.Its right that you dont get the story by going to a GP for example when i went to the GP this year i got nothing except the amount of pit stops,next day my friend explained me.

That was a right point bout racing culture.Its new in Turkey we never had racers thats such new so it takes a while to raise the interest.For example i am almost 16 ,people at my age sometimes follow but my sister is 9 and her mates follow it more because they are raised with that culture.

I went to watch the GP on the main grandstand and it was full-why didnt they put these places on TV anyway?!- and people there had passion but there were less people with intense passion than the ones on the hills or the stands with lower prices.However everyone was shouting when Webber overtook Alonso.

And if any of you guys would like to help us, can you give your name here it is just a help for Turkish GP.We tried this way for bringing Senna Movie to Turkey and it worked! :

http://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/f1turkiye

The track is a loss leader. There is no place for loss leaders on the calander. That is the simple decision for MrE to make. If he was to keep a loss leader on the calander, especially when there are more deserving tracks that are screaming out for a GP, then he wouldn't be doing his job and wouldn't be generating the return demanded by CVC's investors. It's a pretty simple way that this works.

Let's face it, Istanbul Park is hardly a classic. It's not up there with Spa Francorchamps, Suzuka, Imola, A1 Ring, Monza or Magny Cours (to name a few of excellent circuits that I can remember seeing F1 race at). If it was to go, I would imagine that very few would lament its loss. Sure there is turn 8 but we can get our fix of corners like this at Spa and Suzuka.

The solution is simple though. If Turkey want to keep their F1 race then they better start going, no amount of petitioning is going to outweigh the financial aspect of the race. Simple as that. Sure it's expensive but the prices are probably the lowest they can be given the number of parties who get a slice of the race revenue.

Magny Cours???????

I like it and it has prouced good races in the past.

Hmmmm, I wouldn't rank it way up with the all time greats though, no way. But, each to their own.

Maybe not up there with Spa or Monza but still a good bit better than Istanbul Park and deserving to be on the calander.

[LewEngBridewell]

Turkey has rich history but Bernie wants money more!If we did loads of ads however ,the tourists coming to see the historical places would attend.Its right that you dont get the story by going to a GP for example when i went to the GP this year i got nothing except the amount of pit stops,next day my friend explained me.

That was a right point bout racing culture.Its new in Turkey we never had racers thats such new so it takes a while to raise the interest.For example i am almost 16 ,people at my age sometimes follow but my sister is 9 and her mates follow it more because they are raised with that culture.

I went to watch the GP on the main grandstand and it was full-why didnt they put these places on TV anyway?!- and people there had passion but there were less people with intense passion than the ones on the hills or the stands with lower prices.However everyone was shouting when Webber overtook Alonso.

And if any of you guys would like to help us, can you give your name here it is just a help for Turkish GP.We tried this way for bringing Senna Movie to Turkey and it worked! :

http://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/f1turkiye

The track is a loss leader. There is no place for loss leaders on the calander. That is the simple decision for MrE to make. If he was to keep a loss leader on the calander, especially when there are more deserving tracks that are screaming out for a GP, then he wouldn't be doing his job and wouldn't be generating the return demanded by CVC's investors. It's a pretty simple way that this works.

Let's face it, Istanbul Park is hardly a classic. It's not up there with Spa Francorchamps, Suzuka, Imola, A1 Ring, Monza or Magny Cours (to name a few of excellent circuits that I can remember seeing F1 race at). If it was to go, I would imagine that very few would lament its loss. Sure there is turn 8 but we can get our fix of corners like this at Spa and Suzuka.

The solution is simple though. If Turkey want to keep their F1 race then they better start going, no amount of petitioning is going to outweigh the financial aspect of the race. Simple as that. Sure it's expensive but the prices are probably the lowest they can be given the number of parties who get a slice of the race revenue.

Magny Cours???????

I like it and it has prouced good races in the past.

Hmmmm, I wouldn't rank it way up with the all time greats though, no way. But, each to their own.

Maybe not up there with Spa or Monza but still a good bit better than Istanbul Park and deserving to be on the calander.

Completely disagree with you. But that's to be expected with me and thee

[andrew]

Turkey has rich history but Bernie wants money more!If we did loads of ads however ,the tourists coming to see the historical places would attend.Its right that you dont get the story by going to a GP for example when i went to the GP this year i got nothing except the amount of pit stops,next day my friend explained me.

That was a right point bout racing culture.Its new in Turkey we never had racers thats such new so it takes a while to raise the interest.For example i am almost 16 ,people at my age sometimes follow but my sister is 9 and her mates follow it more because they are raised with that culture.

I went to watch the GP on the main grandstand and it was full-why didnt they put these places on TV anyway?!- and people there had passion but there were less people with intense passion than the ones on the hills or the stands with lower prices.However everyone was shouting when Webber overtook Alonso.

And if any of you guys would like to help us, can you give your name here it is just a help for Turkish GP.We tried this way for bringing Senna Movie to Turkey and it worked! :

http://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/f1turkiye

The track is a loss leader. There is no place for loss leaders on the calander. That is the simple decision for MrE to make. If he was to keep a loss leader on the calander, especially when there are more deserving tracks that are screaming out for a GP, then he wouldn't be doing his job and wouldn't be generating the return demanded by CVC's investors. It's a pretty simple way that this works.

Let's face it, Istanbul Park is hardly a classic. It's not up there with Spa Francorchamps, Suzuka, Imola, A1 Ring, Monza or Magny Cours (to name a few of excellent circuits that I can remember seeing F1 race at). If it was to go, I would imagine that very few would lament its loss. Sure there is turn 8 but we can get our fix of corners like this at Spa and Suzuka.

The solution is simple though. If Turkey want to keep their F1 race then they better start going, no amount of petitioning is going to outweigh the financial aspect of the race. Simple as that. Sure it's expensive but the prices are probably the lowest they can be given the number of parties who get a slice of the race revenue.

Magny Cours???????

I like it and it has prouced good races in the past.

Hmmmm, I wouldn't rank it way up with the all time greats though, no way. But, each to their own.

Maybe not up there with Spa or Monza but still a good bit better than Istanbul Park and deserving to be on the calander.

Completely disagree with you. But that's to be expected with me and thee

It's a trait of a McLarenonian to disagree.

[LewEngBridewell]

Turkey has rich history but Bernie wants money more!If we did loads of ads however ,the tourists coming to see the historical places would attend.Its right that you dont get the story by going to a GP for example when i went to the GP this year i got nothing except the amount of pit stops,next day my friend explained me.

That was a right point bout racing culture.Its new in Turkey we never had racers thats such new so it takes a while to raise the interest.For example i am almost 16 ,people at my age sometimes follow but my sister is 9 and her mates follow it more because they are raised with that culture.

I went to watch the GP on the main grandstand and it was full-why didnt they put these places on TV anyway?!- and people there had passion but there were less people with intense passion than the ones on the hills or the stands with lower prices.However everyone was shouting when Webber overtook Alonso.

And if any of you guys would like to help us, can you give your name here it is just a help for Turkish GP.We tried this way for bringing Senna Movie to Turkey and it worked! :

http://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/f1turkiye

The track is a loss leader. There is no place for loss leaders on the calander. That is the simple decision for MrE to make. If he was to keep a loss leader on the calander, especially when there are more deserving tracks that are screaming out for a GP, then he wouldn't be doing his job and wouldn't be generating the return demanded by CVC's investors. It's a pretty simple way that this works.

Let's face it, Istanbul Park is hardly a classic. It's not up there with Spa Francorchamps, Suzuka, Imola, A1 Ring, Monza or Magny Cours (to name a few of excellent circuits that I can remember seeing F1 race at). If it was to go, I would imagine that very few would lament its loss. Sure there is turn 8 but we can get our fix of corners like this at Spa and Suzuka.

The solution is simple though. If Turkey want to keep their F1 race then they better start going, no amount of petitioning is going to outweigh the financial aspect of the race. Simple as that. Sure it's expensive but the prices are probably the lowest they can be given the number of parties who get a slice of the race revenue.

Magny Cours???????

I like it and it has prouced good races in the past.

Hmmmm, I wouldn't rank it way up with the all time greats though, no way. But, each to their own.

Maybe not up there with Spa or Monza but still a good bit better than Istanbul Park and deserving to be on the calander.

Completely disagree with you. But that's to be expected with me and thee

It's a trait of a McLarenonian to disagree.

Prejudice

[andrew]

Turkey has rich history but Bernie wants money more!If we did loads of ads however ,the tourists coming to see the historical places would attend.Its right that you dont get the story by going to a GP for example when i went to the GP this year i got nothing except the amount of pit stops,next day my friend explained me.

That was a right point bout racing culture.Its new in Turkey we never had racers thats such new so it takes a while to raise the interest.For example i am almost 16 ,people at my age sometimes follow but my sister is 9 and her mates follow it more because they are raised with that culture.

I went to watch the GP on the main grandstand and it was full-why didnt they put these places on TV anyway?!- and people there had passion but there were less people with intense passion than the ones on the hills or the stands with lower prices.However everyone was shouting when Webber overtook Alonso.

And if any of you guys would like to help us, can you give your name here it is just a help for Turkish GP.We tried this way for bringing Senna Movie to Turkey and it worked! :

http://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/f1turkiye

The track is a loss leader. There is no place for loss leaders on the calander. That is the simple decision for MrE to make. If he was to keep a loss leader on the calander, especially when there are more deserving tracks that are screaming out for a GP, then he wouldn't be doing his job and wouldn't be generating the return demanded by CVC's investors. It's a pretty simple way that this works.

Let's face it, Istanbul Park is hardly a classic. It's not up there with Spa Francorchamps, Suzuka, Imola, A1 Ring, Monza or Magny Cours (to name a few of excellent circuits that I can remember seeing F1 race at). If it was to go, I would imagine that very few would lament its loss. Sure there is turn 8 but we can get our fix of corners like this at Spa and Suzuka.

The solution is simple though. If Turkey want to keep their F1 race then they better start going, no amount of petitioning is going to outweigh the financial aspect of the race. Simple as that. Sure it's expensive but the prices are probably the lowest they can be given the number of parties who get a slice of the race revenue.

Magny Cours???????

I like it and it has prouced good races in the past.

Hmmmm, I wouldn't rank it way up with the all time greats though, no way. But, each to their own.

Maybe not up there with Spa or Monza but still a good bit better than Istanbul Park and deserving to be on the calander.

Completely disagree with you. But that's to be expected with me and thee

It's a trait of a McLarenonian to disagree.

Prejudice

Yep!

[LewEngBridewell]

Turkey has rich history but Bernie wants money more!If we did loads of ads however ,the tourists coming to see the historical places would attend.Its right that you dont get the story by going to a GP for example when i went to the GP this year i got nothing except the amount of pit stops,next day my friend explained me.

That was a right point bout racing culture.Its new in Turkey we never had racers thats such new so it takes a while to raise the interest.For example i am almost 16 ,people at my age sometimes follow but my sister is 9 and her mates follow it more because they are raised with that culture.

I went to watch the GP on the main grandstand and it was full-why didnt they put these places on TV anyway?!- and people there had passion but there were less people with intense passion than the ones on the hills or the stands with lower prices.However everyone was shouting when Webber overtook Alonso.

And if any of you guys would like to help us, can you give your name here it is just a help for Turkish GP.We tried this way for bringing Senna Movie to Turkey and it worked! :

http://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/f1turkiye

The track is a loss leader. There is no place for loss leaders on the calander. That is the simple decision for MrE to make. If he was to keep a loss leader on the calander, especially when there are more deserving tracks that are screaming out for a GP, then he wouldn't be doing his job and wouldn't be generating the return demanded by CVC's investors. It's a pretty simple way that this works.

Let's face it, Istanbul Park is hardly a classic. It's not up there with Spa Francorchamps, Suzuka, Imola, A1 Ring, Monza or Magny Cours (to name a few of excellent circuits that I can remember seeing F1 race at). If it was to go, I would imagine that very few would lament its loss. Sure there is turn 8 but we can get our fix of corners like this at Spa and Suzuka.

The solution is simple though. If Turkey want to keep their F1 race then they better start going, no amount of petitioning is going to outweigh the financial aspect of the race. Simple as that. Sure it's expensive but the prices are probably the lowest they can be given the number of parties who get a slice of the race revenue.

Magny Cours???????

I like it and it has prouced good races in the past.

Hmmmm, I wouldn't rank it way up with the all time greats though, no way. But, each to their own.

Maybe not up there with Spa or Monza but still a good bit better than Istanbul Park and deserving to be on the calander.

Completely disagree with you. But that's to be expected with me and thee

It's a trait of a McLarenonian to disagree.

Prejudice

Yep!

Quite a typical nasty streak in those Vettelians

[andrew]

That's just racial stereotyping!

[LewEngBridewell]

That's just racial stereotyping!

[albertz33]

Well, im not sure about the track arguement, but i guess if theres poor attendance then its always going to be in danger of being dropped, most of the fans there were from Russia / Germany and other european countries, there were very very few turks there which surprised me.

The track is well outside istanbul, not even in the same province and the access to it is very poor, organisation of coaches was abysmal, and the tracks location was bitterly cold, even with the sun beating down, but all that pails into insignificance when you can spend a day or two in istanbul proper, a magnificant city thats well worth the visit, its just a pity F1 wasnt more popular in turkey.

[myownalias]

Reprieve for Turkey? http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93692

If Turkey does remain, which track will make way? we know that the teams won't agree to more than 20 races (unless massive financial incentives are forthcoming from his Bernieness).

[racechick]

Well, im not sure about the track arguement, but i guess if theres poor attendance then its always going to be in danger of being dropped, most of the fans there were from Russia / Germany and other european countries, there were very very few turks there which surprised me.

The track is well outside istanbul, not even in the same province and the access to it is very poor, organisation of coaches was abysmal, and the tracks location was bitterly cold, even with the sun beating down, but all that pails into insignificance when you can spend a day or two in istanbul proper, a magnificant city thats well worth the visit, its just a pity F1 wasnt more popular in turkey.

It was blazing hot when I went to watch there, people sheltering under the stands to get out of the sun between races. Now if you want cold go watch at Silverstone!

Its only an hour from Istanbul- theres no way they could have put it IN Istanbul! The coaches out were very easy to get, all lined up near the blue mosque and only about 20p. There was a problem with the drivers getting lost but the fans sorted them out. This was 2006, i was kinda hoping they'd sorted that bit by now. I was expecting access to be much more difficult. Its a greast circuit and deserves to stay-flush valencia and catalunya into the sea instead!!
And like you say, you have the amazing Istanbul itself to extend your stay and enjoy.
The Turks will only get more interested in F1 if the GP stays and is marketed well. It wont happen overnight.
Bernie is a gready sod!

[LewEngBridewell]

Its a great circuit and deserves to stay-flush valencia and catalunya into the sea instead!!
And like you say, you have the amazing Istanbul itself to extend your stay and enjoy.
The Turks will only get more interested in F1 if the GP stays and is marketed well. It wont happen overnight.
Bernie is a gready sod!

A Turkish F1 driver to cheer on wouldn't go amiss either.

[Forti_Corse]

Greece for F1 Circuit.......im surprised they have never hosted an F1

[LewEngBridewell]

Greece for F1 Circuit.......im surprised they have never hosted an F1

A circuit in or near Athens would certainly be a crowd puller.