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[myownalias]

Your showing your desperation to make Jenson look good because Lewis didn't own his bottom as much as he usually does,fact is he still owned his bottom by scoring more points and finishing in front of him.

Argue that if you can..

For the record I didn't claim that Jenson finished ahead of Lewis; but scoring a point from sixteenth is more impressive than staying exactly where you started; and Lewis would have been tenth if Maldonado and Perez didn't have their coming together, both the Williams and Sauber were faster than Mclaren in this race!

If you actually read my posts; you'll notice that if Jenson underperforms I will call him out on it; Jenson has been poor, but at Silverstone, he did a decent job given the car he had!

[Injen]

Your showing your desperation to make Jenson look good because Lewis didn't own his bottom as much as he usually does,fact is he still owned his bottom by scoring more points and finishing in front of him.

Argue that if you can..

For the record I didn't claim that Jenson finished ahead of Lewis; but scoring a point from sixteenth is more impressive than staying exactly where you started; and Lewis would have been tenth if Maldonado and Perez didn't have their coming together, both the Williams and Sauber were faster than Mclaren in this race!

If you actually read my posts; you'll notice that if Jenson underperforms I will call him out on it; Jenson has been poor, but at Silverstone, he did a decent job given the car he had!

Jenson scoring a point is irrelevant,he still came in behind his teammate and scored less points,since when has coming in behind your teammate doing a good job lol.

On top of that he got lucky,he could not pass senna or hulk until hulk duck up which allowed him to gain the point.

Yet again Jenson under performed way more than Lewis did,the points and finishing position is all that counts,the number don't lie.

What would of been impressive is Jenson finshing in front of Lewis just like spain when Lewis started last but still managed to beat his teamate,Jenson hasn't got it in him to do that though.

I bet you were praying he did though lol,especially when Lewis came out behind him from the pits.

[myownalias]

Call me desperate or deluded if you like! but you can not deny that Jenson did a good job in an average (at best car) car, that's not to say that Lewis did a bad job either. I expected Jenson to come behind Lewis in this race because he started 8 places behind. If it weren't for the wet sector 3 and waved yellows in Q1, Jenson probably would have made Q2 and been much higher up on the starting grid. If Lewis started from 15th and finished eighth, maybe you'd have a point, but using former races as a benchmark is irrelevant to the current race!

[racechick]

Was anyone else a little miffed at Jenson's lack of 'team play' in the race when Lewis came up behind him on fresh tyres while Jenson was still on old?

RC, you make it sound like Jenson held Lewis up for laps? From what I saw on TV; it was maybe five or six corners, then Jenson blended his throttle to let Lewis pass on the straight!

Does it make all you Lewis Hamilton fans feel better bitching at Jenson when Lewis didn't do any better? Jenson started sixteenth and finished tenth; Lewis started eighth and finished eighth; but of course that was Jenson Button's fault wasn't it? Jenson slowed Lewis down so much that Lewis lost the place to Schumacher! McLaren were straight up too slow; McLaren started the season clear fastest car but have dropped back ever since; McLaren have dropped behind, Ferrari, Lotus and even Sauber! Jenson put in a decent performance give the lack of pace inn the McLaren!

I dont feel better bitching about Jenson, though I know I do it sometimes. I'd prefer Jenosn and Lewis pulling together to sort out McLaren, But I cant help but feel Jenson is trying all the time to score points off Lewis. He could have let him past more easily, as he did Grosjean, he fights lewis harder than anyone. Would it have made any difference to where Lewis finnished? No, not in this instance. The Mclaren was way off the pace. Yes you can argue Jenson made up more places Lewis, but what cars was each driver respectively battling with?Several of the cars jenson 'overtook' were out due to incidents, cant remember them all but Maldonado, Perez and Di Resta spring to mind. But its irrelevant because they both did crap. And I blame Mclaren for putting all their eggs in the Button basket and going down a blind alley. And I think they've spent way too much time trying to sort out jenson at the expense of lewis and it pisses me off. Its not really Jenson's fault but it does affect how i view him. Bit unfair probably.

[vaptin]

Was anyone else a little miffed at Jenson's lack of 'team play' in the race when Lewis came up behind him on fresh tyres while Jenson was still on old?

RC, you make it sound like Jenson held Lewis up for laps? From what I saw on TV; it was maybe five or six corners, then Jenson blended his throttle to let Lewis pass on the straight!

Does it make all you Lewis Hamilton fans feel better bitching at Jenson when Lewis didn't do any better? Jenson started sixteenth and finished tenth; Lewis started eighth and finished eighth; but of course that was Jenson Button's fault wasn't it? Jenson slowed Lewis down so much that Lewis lost the place to Schumacher! McLaren were straight up too slow; McLaren started the season clear fastest car but have dropped back ever since; McLaren have dropped behind, Ferrari, Lotus and even Sauber! Jenson put in a decent performance give the lack of pace inn the McLaren!

I dont feel better bitching about Jenson, though I know I do it sometimes. I'd prefer Jenosn and Lewis pulling together to sort out McLaren, But I cant help but feel Jenson is trying all the time to score points off Lewis. He could have let him past more easily, as he did Grosjean, he fights lewis harder than anyone. Would it have made any difference to where Lewis finnished? No, not in this instance. The Mclaren was way off the pace. Yes you can argue Jenson made up more places Lewis, but what cars was each driver respectively battling with?Several of the cars jenson 'overtook' were out due to incidents, cant remember them all but Maldonado, Perez and Di Resta spring to mind. But its irrelevant because they both did crap. And I blame Mclaren for putting all their eggs in the Button basket and going down a blind alley. And I think they've spent way too much time trying to sort out jenson at the expense of lewis and it pisses me off. Its not really Jenson's fault but it does affect how i view him. Bit unfair probably.

I don't think it's fair to say Button fought Lewis but not Grosjean (not just aimed at you, some others have mentioned it), Grosjean was faster than the pair of them, being held up a fair amount by Lewis, whereas Lewis and Button were in identical cars.

I think Button drove a pretty good race today, remember that he didn't have any fresh tyre advantages as well. He started so far back partially due to bad luck (although he should've already had a decent lap in the bag) from a yellow flag in his flying lap.

[What's Burning?]

Button measures his success at McLaren based on the yardstick that is Lewis. It's crazy to say that team mates don't compete with each other, that competition is there, always whether your team is at the top of the grid, midfield or bringing up the rear. Given the situation to date at McLaren this season Jenson is simply not measuring up.

Jenson knows it, McLaren knows it and Jenson fans know it. So no need to kick the guy when he's down. I don't blame him for reflexively wanting to compete with Lewis as he was being overtaken as it was rubbing salt on the wound that hasn't even stopped bleeding yet, let alone begun to heal.

[racechick]

Well said WB. I was going to say(but your post beat mine ) Same cars yes. Lewis on fresh tyres Jenson on old. Not racing each other. I do see your point, but Jenson oh so subtley rubbed the salt in last year.

[acosmichippo]

To me it didn't look like he was fighting Lewis off - he just wasn't going to go out of his way to let Lewis by, and I don't think anyone should expect him to.

And to address Grosjean getting through shortly after - how was he supposed to let Hamilton through and not Grosjean? Of course grosjean was going to go through the same space Lewis did, it would have been extremely unlikely for Jenson to leave a gap for Lewis, and then close it off within a few meters.

[The Second Coming]

Was anyone else a little miffed at Jenson's lack of 'team play' in the race when Lewis came up behind him on fresh tyres while Jenson was still on old?

RC, you make it sound like Jenson held Lewis up for laps? From what I saw on TV; it was maybe five or six corners, then Jenson blended his throttle to let Lewis pass on the straight!

Does it make all you Lewis Hamilton fans feel better bitching at Jenson when Lewis didn't do any better? Jenson started sixteenth and finished tenth; Lewis started eighth and finished eighth; but of course that was Jenson Button's fault wasn't it? Jenson slowed Lewis down so much that Lewis lost the place to Schumacher! McLaren were straight up too slow; McLaren started the season clear fastest car but have dropped back ever since; McLaren have dropped behind, Ferrari, Lotus and even Sauber! Jenson put in a decent performance give the lack of pace inn the McLaren!

I dont feel better bitching about Jenson, though I know I do it sometimes. I'd prefer Jenosn and Lewis pulling together to sort out McLaren, But I cant help but feel Jenson is trying all the time to score points off Lewis. He could have let him past more easily, as he did Grosjean, he fights lewis harder than anyone. Would it have made any difference to where Lewis finnished? No, not in this instance. The Mclaren was way off the pace. Yes you can argue Jenson made up more places Lewis, but what cars was each driver respectively battling with?Several of the cars jenson 'overtook' were out due to incidents, cant remember them all but Maldonado, Perez and Di Resta spring to mind. But its irrelevant because they both did crap. And I blame Mclaren for putting all their eggs in the Button basket and going down a blind alley. And I think they've spent way too much time trying to sort out jenson at the expense of lewis and it pisses me off. Its not really Jenson's fault but it does affect how i view him. Bit unfair probably.

RC, I suppose we are rapidly closing in on that point of the season when there should be some dialog about Jenson's aim to now help Lewis to the Championship (b'cuz Jenson has zero shot at winning this year). On a performance level, Jenson can't match Lewis but where he can "help" is in situations like this past race Silverstone) where he simply lets him by without struggle when it's clear Lewis is faster. If Jenson fights Lewis, 9 times out of 10 Jenson is gonna lose but the ultimate cost may be time that Lewis loses to anyone in front. At this point, Jenson isn't showing the signs that he will come to grips with the car/tyres this season so why stand in the way of your team-mate? Just to say you "battled with your team-mate"...really?!

I'm just saying...

[f1ea]

Jenson scoring a point is irrelevant,he still came in behind his teammate and scored less points,since when has coming in behind your teammate doing a good job lol.

On top of that he got lucky,he could not pass senna or hulk until hulk duck up which allowed him to gain the point.

Yet again Jenson under performed way more than Lewis did,the points and finishing position is all that counts,the number don't lie.

LOL
That's such great solace

Man... You guys are funny. You spend way too much time worrying about Lewis and Jenson that you pretty much ignore the issues that matter in having the 2 mclarens on worse performance than like 4 teams....

All that actually count is that when 1 car (driver) is so far behind the other is simply because there's something fundamentally not going well in the car. One race it might hurt one, in the other both or the other... Who knows. But they'd rather fix the ISSUE rather than being happy Lewis is doing better or worse than Jenson.

Do you think Ferrari or Red Bull were happy Massa was struggling? The fact alonso got good points only hint towards un-reliable chance. They want to improve the car for the both of em to not having to rely on amazing events or drives bringing in a win. Period. Oh and on top of that, they want BOTH drivers to bring in $$ points. They are not interested in having Lewis destroying his teammate like you guys seem to be so interested in seeing.

Funny people these Lewis fans are.

[f1ea]

There's very little Jenson can do to help Lewis' title ambitions. I mean... Unless Lewis is planning to keep arriving in P8, then Jenson can help him against the Force Indias. And evenb worse... I thought Mclaren and their fans defend the whole let them race thing. So... I guess they're not going to be planning any assistance from any driver. Good luck on that. And prepare your speeches, cause you guys are going to have some explaining to do if you suddenly start supporting teammates supporting teammates' campaigns

[darwin dali]

Do you think Ferrari or Red Bull were happy Massa was struggling?

[LewEngBridewell]

YOU ALL LOVE JENSON REALLY!

[f1ea]

Do you think Ferrari or Red Bull were happy Massa was struggling?

Oooops...Like RB happy one of their drivers struggling vs the other like Webber was last yr.... Had Vettel not been running away with it, they would have been concerned, not just content with their golden boy winning sometimes

[darwin dali]

YOU ALL LOVE JENSON REALLY!

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