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[Peng]

Some people seriously don't understand how bad the marbles are to drive on if not on the racing line too. That much is clear by this thread. Have some of you actually seen the loose rubber on track at a race before?!?

Not to mention the track was still very wet since it had only stopped raining like 30 minutes before which would have made any spot on the track that wasn't the racing line even more risky to drive on.

[Drthjustice]

I find it funny that this is even still being talked about. It seems like some people feel like NK should be crucified for daring to have an issue with Vettel. I look at it this way. How many times over the last 3 years has Vettel lapped a backmarker? And during that time how many incidents have occured? Odds would say that eventually something like this would happen. So I think some people just need to move on and start looking forward to China.

[Hammer278]

I find it funny that this is even still being talked about. It seems like some people feel like NK should be crucified for daring to have an issue with Vettel. I look at it this way. How many times over the last 3 years has Vettel lapped a backmarker? And during that time how many incidents have occured? Odds would say that eventually something like this would happen. So I think some people just need to move on and start looking forward to China.

It's a 3 week break...China always seemed a bit too far away. If China was today, this thread might have around 50 posts less at least.

[mnmracer]

*Update*
Some have argued that while Vettel technically left Karthikeyan enough room on the track, that he was still in the wrong because they believe he cut Karthikeyan on the racing line. There also appears to be some confusion on whether Karthikeyan was off the track/on the white line or not.

Whose right is it to take the racing line?
First of, as the car lapping the other driver, Vettel had the right to take whichever place he wanted on the track, as long as he leaves the backmarker enough room. At their positions in frame 5, Karthikeyan has enough room to continue on the track.

At that point, Karthikeyan has the opportunity to let Vettel pass, which he needs to do as stipulated in the sporting regulations:

20.5 As soon as a car is caught by another car which is about to lap it during the race the driver must allow the faster driver past at the first available opportunity.

Did Karthikeyan turn in to take the racing line?
However, there are still some that want to interprete that as not meaning Karthikeyan did not have the right to keep the racing line. So that beckons the question: was Karthikeyan turning in to take the normal racing line, as the Marussia is seen doing in front of them?



Short answer: no. Although the camera pans, taking two static points allows us to compare the racing lines. The orange line shows where (the left rear wheel of) the Marussia starts moving right, away from the edge of the track. In the second frame, you see Karthikeyan starts moving right almost a full car length earlier, despite the fact Vettel is already mostly past him.

Was Karthikeyan returning on the track, or on the white line?
It happened quite fast, so I understand where that idea came from, but Karthikeyan actually went a little off just before the corner. He had already returned on track when going into the corner, and when Vettel was passing him, Karthikeyan was not on any white line.

[What's Burning?]

Karthikeyan got what he deserved and he'll be starting last on the grid in China... that will teach him.

[tonyblue]

[quote="mnmracer"]*Update*

You care too much about defending Vettel, don't you

[bud]

So much analysis for such a petty on track incident this is what I find funny. It's easy for a Vettel fan to try put 100% blame on NK but the simple matter is SV only had to wait a few seconds longer to be well clear of NK before cutting him off and nothing would have happened.

For me and dare i say it most others it was harsh to penalise NK, the Hulk can testify to this. It was a racing incident where two cars touch and blame can be levelled at 50/50.

[mnmracer]

It's always easier to try and discredit someone rather than trying to twist the facts to your own opinion. In the end though, I hope this is informative for the real fans of Formula One, not for those that do nothing else than grasp the thinnest straws to hate one driver or another.

[bud]

I'm more than a real fan ive probably been to more Grand Prix than anyone here since my first at age 5 so dont even try that one on me mate.

As a real fan I find the information unnecessary nor have I shown Hate for Vettel like you assume, far from it I have nothing against him. But on this one it's clear it's just a racing incident,Which is my argument it has nothing to do with disliking any driver.
But to put 100% blame on NK just makes you look like a Vettel fanboy.

[scotty]

What exactly is the point of all this OTT analysis of one small incident? To try and justify Vettel's subsequent crying to the media or something?

...?

[mnmracer]

Well whatever your story, if in the light of every single fact presented, you still come up with "Vettel cut him off", while Vettel left him room, Vettel did not move towards Karthikeyan and Vettel did not move onto the racing line, you're clearly just making stuff up. The claim is simply inexcusable and completely ignoring every single fact.

[mnmracer]

What exactly is the point of all this OTT analysis of one small incident? To try and justify Vettel's subsequent crying to the media or something?

...?

Considering the outrage there was over it, it was obviously not considered small by many. Thus I wanted to look at what actually happened, rather than just jump on one bandwagon or another. If people say "Vettel should accept responsibility", it is a valid question to ask if he was responsible. That has nothing to do with how he responded like many Formula One drivers and champions before him.

[bud]

Well whatever your story, if in the light of every single fact presented, you still come up with "Vettel cut him off", while Vettel left him room, Vettel did not move towards Karthikeyan and Vettel did not move onto the racing line, you're clearly just making stuff up. The claim is simply inexcusable and completely ignoring every single fact.

So basically if I don't have the same view as you then I'm ignoring facts? I'm sorry but you are a rude arrogant twat! ! You really are.

[mnmracer]

Well whatever your story, if in the light of every single fact presented, you still come up with "Vettel cut him off", while Vettel left him room, Vettel did not move towards Karthikeyan and Vettel did not move onto the racing line, you're clearly just making stuff up. The claim is simply inexcusable and completely ignoring every single fact.

So basically if I don't have the same view as you then I'm ignoring facts? I'm sorry but you are a rude arrogant twat! ! You really are.

There's a difference between a view and facts. You see something, ignore what you saw, and claim something different. You don't even try to explain your distorted idea of the facts. If calling out such idiocracy is arrogant, then so be it.

[bud]

There you go again so now I'm an idiot, I take it Nico Hulkenberg is also then considering he didn't see what NK did wrong? The only facts I need are the video footage, and from that it's clear as day it's a racing incident.