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[Darriele]

On the 'incidents', I think it should be rememebered that he rules state drivers will be punished for causing an 'avoidable accident', NOT for causing an accident that inconveniences another driver. Now there were three racing incidents at least in that race. Rosberg got no penalty , Schumacher a reprimand an lewis a penalty. All for the same thing. Non of those three drivers wanted those collisions, they were not deliberate, they were racing incidents, non should have received penalties. Why three different decisions from the stewards?
Massa's behaviour to Lewis afterwards was uncalled for.

There is one little big difference, Hamilton/Massa incident could be quite easily avoided, the other twos, that's debatable.
To be honest I'm not surprised by Massa's behavior towards Lewis, it wasn't the first time those two clinched together and always it was Hamilton to be blamed for.
Hamilton is a great driver but clearly he should stop taking such big risks that often do not pay and focus more on the race overall much like Button does.

[andrew]

On the 'incidents', I think it should be rememebered that he rules state drivers will be punished for causing an 'avoidable accident', NOT for causing an accident that inconveniences another driver. Now there were three racing incidents at least in that race. Rosberg got no penalty , Schumacher a reprimand an lewis a penalty. All for the same thing. Non of those three drivers wanted those collisions, they were not deliberate, they were racing incidents, non should have received penalties. Why three different decisions from the stewards?
Massa's behaviour to Lewis afterwards was uncalled for.

Hamilton hitting Massa was totally avoidable, thus the penalty. He was too anxious to get past and didn't seem like he was prepared to be patient.

Schumacher going flying was a bit less clear cut in that Perez got bogged down with virtually no traction after having to go off the track when Rosberg passed him. Schumacher with a lot more grip having not been off the circut was going significantly faster than Perez. Given the speed difference between them even if Schumacher had slammed on the brakes I think he would have still hit Perez, only not quite as hard as he did. It was Rosberg putting a move on Perez that kick started that one. I don't recall Rosberg doind anything to get a penalty. He gave back the 5 places he gained at the start.

[racechick]

Im talking about Rosberg on perez not his corner cutting.
Rosberg on Perez; Scumacher on Perez and hamilton on masssa. All collisions. All should have been treated the same. all three of those drivers caused collisions.

[andrew]

Im talking about Rosberg on perez not his corner cutting.

Rosberg gave the places back in the next few corners. No penalty required.

Rosberg on Perez; Scumacher on Perez and hamilton on masssa. All collisions. All should have been treated the same. all three of those drivers caused collisions.

They were treated the same. One was a lot more avoidable than the other. Plus Schumacher was out of the race so they're hadly going to give him a drive-through are they? A reprimand and a fine was the only reasonable course of action available to the stewards.

[f1boy]

I find it unbelievable how Massa thinks he has the right to hold up the pack with his slow driving, blocking and crashing into anyone who tries to pass his milkfloat Ferrari.
A few others use the same tactics, but Massa seems to always watch out for Lewis in particular and then starts his little games.

I think he's still bitter because of the 2008 championship.

[Darriele]

Im talking about Rosberg on perez not his corner cutting.
Rosberg on Perez; Scumacher on Perez and hamilton on masssa. All collisions. All should have been treated the same. all three of those drivers caused collisions.

Rosberg/Perez ,maybe, but both cars were good after that incident, Schumacher/Perez that was quite unavoidable, I don't think Schumacher needs to be further punished for it (he paid the price of it by stopping for good in the walls while Perez survived almost unharmed from that incident ), but Massa/Hamilton, hell, that's quite another story (I might go to the point where I would suggest Hamilton having his eyes checked )
I have quite good confidence in race officials to deal with such cases, so far on every race they were up to the task.

A quick note to f1boy, Massa did his job without breaking any rules, there's no point to blame him for Hamilton's mistakes. Just admit that.

[What's Burning?]

I can't beleive the way Massa brake checked hamilton into the corner, and then drifted to the right through the corner across hamilton's front wing. Rediculous!! This Massa guy keeps getting in hamiltons way, when is he going to get the message that when hamilton is behind, he needs to pull over and let him past, because he is obviously faster. I mean come on, its sheer luck that Massa was in front in the first place.

I KNOW! You'd think with all the times he's heard that from Luca and Stefano about Alonso... he would have put two and two together about Lewis as well.

[andrew]

I find it unbelievable how Massa thinks he has the right to hold up the pack with his slow driving, blocking and crashing into anyone who tries to pass his milkfloat Ferrari.

So Massa is meant to jump out of the way just because Hamilton or anyone in a faster car is behind him? That's total rubbish. It's a race not a gentlemans club where they stop at each corner and say to each other "after you old boy".

[tpherson]

to me the Schumacher incident looked like this:

Perez had been off and on, due to Rossberg, and lacked traction and therefore speed. Shumacher seeing this looked to make a move down the inside. I don't think Perez saw, or expected, Schumacher to be coming on the inside. I think Perez had moved to the inside, expecting Schumacher to be coming on the outside, and lifted to forfeit the position or lifted early due to dirty tires to make the corner. Shumacher had commited to coming on the inside and ran over Perez when Perez lifted. That's what it looked like in my opinion.

Seems like racing, but I'll say the reprimand is justified because any time you hit someone from behind, its your own fault, and should be avoidable. Also, Shumacher should have seen Perez moving to the inside and probably shuld have gone back to the outside. He was the trailing car and had the better view of what Perez was doing, and should ahve reacted.

I think its rediculous though. We want these guys to drive inches away from each other at 180 mph, but if they touch we are going to penalise them. I think these penalties should be reserved for egregious driving where a driver clearly lacks proper judgement. Like Hamilton today

[sennasational]

Im talking about Rosberg on perez not his corner cutting.

Rosberg gave the places back in the next few corners. No penalty required.

Rosberg on Perez; Scumacher on Perez and hamilton on masssa. All collisions. All should have been treated the same. all three of those drivers caused collisions.

They were treated the same. One was a lot more avoidable than the other. Plus Schumacher was out of the race so they're hadly going to give him a drive-through are they? A reprimand and a fine was the only reasonable course of action available to the stewards.

2 cars turning into a corner at once and colliding is LESS avoidable than driving into the back of someone, unless they stop way too fast, which didn't happen. Schumacher was just getting too close before starting to overtake. Rosberg should have got a penalty for pushing Perez off the track, if Perez didn't bail then Rosberg would have caused severe damage and got a penalty, so it's partly down to the victim what happens in an incident.

[f1boy]

Hamilton only clipped the tyre because "Milkfloat Massa" was on a go slow. He was obviously still bitter from qualifying, where, yet again, Massa was on a go slow in front and Lewis was getting bored of the little games.

Lewis must get pissed right off with efforts always getting in his way.

[f1boy]

I find it unbelievable how Massa thinks he has the right to hold up the pack with his slow driving, blocking and crashing into anyone who tries to pass his milkfloat Ferrari.

So Massa is meant to jump out of the way just because Hamilton or anyone in a faster car is behind him? That's total rubbish. It's a race not a gentlemans club where they stop at each corner and say to each other "after you old boy".

Well if it's a proper race, then Massa can have no complaints if he gets hit then. Whats Lewis meant to do?? Keep behind him for the whole race at 40mph and ruin any chance of a decent finish. It works both ways, so why was Massa getting annoyed. If he had not blocked Lewis, he would have saved himself the bloody puncture.

[Darriele]

Hamilton only clipped the tyre because "Milkfloat Massa" was on a go slow. He was obviously still bitter from qualifying, where, yet again, Massa was on a go slow in front and Lewis was getting bored of the little games.

Lewis must get pissed right off with efforts always getting in his way.

Clipped he was, as his half front wing was. That's not an excuse for him (Hamilton) to ruin his own race , but that seems to be quite common.

I'm down to the point where I can consider Hamilton just a mad kid in a fast car (common reasons for fatalities nowadays)

[FRAFPDD]

I really dont know why i bother spending irreplacable minutes of my life reading this forum, full of arrogant nutjobs.

Before anyone does that stupid thumbs up i agree aka im agreeing so that it doesnt look like im the one being included, im probably talking about you too, some of you im on friendly terms with and have good banter, butstill think your biased nutjobs that i wouldnt trust with my grandmother.


Some of you really need mental help, to convince yourself so much of somehing that all evidence says contrary.

[billindenver]

Im talking about Rosberg on perez not his corner cutting.
Rosberg on Perez; Scumacher on Perez and hamilton on masssa. All collisions. All should have been treated the same. all three of those drivers caused collisions.

Was this your position when Hamilton collided with Button? The fact is there are shades of grey in all rule books. Unfortunately for the Hamilton fanbase, he is seldom in the grey. I also believe that calling stewards racists in the past may well have put him in a negative light with future stewards.

In addition, it has to be considered that perhaps Hamilton's 'move or I crash you' attitude is not appreciated by the drivers or the FIA. If that were true...how would they show their displeasure? Penalties perhaps? Seems possible to me.