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[ivey]

Well I have to say even with my McLaren tinted glasses on I thought the stewards got it spot on in both cases.For Jenson not to give the place back for me was silly(teams fault as much as his).As for Seb's overtake if you didn't allow things like that you might as well not be racing.

You are reading my mind.

[Jensonb]

Then why wasn't he bitchslapped by the almighty stewards for being such a naughty boy? Must be a conspiracy, I'll get my tinfoil hat.

Always the occasional posters that make the most sense, always.


Vettel extended the racetrack, button shortened it. The mere fact Vettels overtake isnt even being discussed by the f1 circle, is awfull telling in how legal it actually was

That's cute, you've redefined the rule to suit your argument.

Go read it, it's crystal clear: If Button broke it so did Vettel and Buemi.

Im not replying to you in future until you act your age. So dont expect a reply from me hereafter.

Don't be such a baby FRAFPDD. Come back when you're willing to discuss the facts instead of your version of them.

[myownalias]

Lets keep it civil gentleman! it's OK to have a different opinion; no need to get personal! the only opinion that counts regardless of what we think is the FIA stewards! Even if they are wrong

[FRAFPDD]

Then why wasn't he bitchslapped by the almighty stewards for being such a naughty boy? Must be a conspiracy, I'll get my tinfoil hat.

Always the occasional posters that make the most sense, always.


Vettel extended the racetrack, button shortened it. The mere fact Vettels overtake isnt even being discussed by the f1 circle, is awfull telling in how legal it actually was

That's cute, you've redefined the rule to suit your argument.

Go read it, it's crystal clear: If Button broke it so did Vettel and Buemi.

Im not replying to you in future until you act your age. So dont expect a reply from me hereafter.

Don't be such a baby FRAFPDD. Come back when you're willing to discuss the facts instead of your version of them.

Is that 6th Jenson finished? 4 place gap to Lewis? Poor really....

[Bubbie]

Totally agree with Spanky and some others. More rules aren't the solution, put some gravel or grass out there to make the course punish the driver if they go off track. The runoff areas are for safety, not to help car reliability. Lets make going off the track punish a car. Then you won't need race control or anyone to provide feedback.

With regards to the KERS discussion of Vettel taking it on for the next race to beat everyone to the first corner, doesn't seem like it hurt him in Australia. He dominated the start as well as the race, so not sure KERS would help. A little start style KERS would be very cool as it would give the starting boost, and then you wouldn't have the issues with ongoing cooling or brake bias. I think you will see more teams get onto this as the year goes on, unless the systems get a lot better.

[racechick]

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And for the record, I think all these penalties for going off track are rubbish. If we want to improve overtakes and excitement then who cares about going off track - just make the circuit punish the driver/car. Lots more kitty-litter and well positioned kerbs will do the trick.

This I agree with

[Gaz]

Then why wasn't he bitchslapped by the almighty stewards for being such a naughty boy? Must be a conspiracy, I'll get my tinfoil hat.

Always the occasional posters that make the most sense, always.


Vettel extended the racetrack, button shortened it. The mere fact Vettels overtake isnt even being discussed by the f1 circle, is awfull telling in how legal it actually was

That's cute, you've redefined the rule to suit your argument.

Go read it, it's crystal clear: If Button broke it so did Vettel and Buemi.

Im not replying to you in future until you act your age. So dont expect a reply from me hereafter.

Don't be such a baby FRAFPDD. Come back when you're willing to discuss the facts instead of your version of them.

Is that 6th Jenson finished? 4 place gap to Lewis? Poor really....

Whoah man, same team! same team!

Also, your a Lewis fan right, well if Vettle was punished, it would of given Jenson 5th, (possibly) but it would of given Lewis the Win!

[Big Azza]

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Why was it merged I don't understand? We do not have a dedicated topic about about Red Bull's KERS - I don't see why these threads keep getting merged.

[myownalias]

Thread Merge FAILURE

Why was it merged I don't understand? We do not have a dedicated topic about about Red Bull's KERS - I don't see why these threads keep getting merged.

My mistake I skim read through the thread and surmised that it was directly related to the AUS GP; I'm only human, I do make mistakes...

[Big Azza]

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Why was it merged I don't understand? We do not have a dedicated topic about about Red Bull's KERS - I don't see why these threads keep getting merged.

My mistake I skim read through the thread and surmised that it was directly related to the AUS GP; I'm only human, I do make mistakes...

No probs mate. You're almost right. It indirectly relates.

[Hammer278]

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And for the record, I think all these penalties for going off track are rubbish. If we want to improve overtakes and excitement then who cares about going off track - just make the circuit punish the driver/car. Lots more kitty-litter and well positioned kerbs will do the trick.

This I agree with

If the penalty for Jenson was rubbish, then I don't see why Jenson had to waste so many laps behind Massa...he could've used that escape road the moment he caught up and ran away.

That corner is very much like Silverstone just before the 3rd sector, there is a shortcut, or escape road...maybe Jenson thought Bernie's "use of shortcut route" rule is already in effect...LOL

[Robert12010]

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And for the record, I think all these penalties for going off track are rubbish. If we want to improve overtakes and excitement then who cares about going off track - just make the circuit punish the driver/car. Lots more kitty-litter and well positioned kerbs will do the trick.

This I agree with

If the penalty for Jenson was rubbish, then I don't see why Jenson had to waste so many laps behind Massa...he could've used that escape road the moment he caught up and ran away.

That corner is very much like Silverstone just before the 3rd sector, there is a shortcut, or escape road...maybe Jenson thought Bernie's "use of shortcut route" rule is already in effect...LOL

well maybe, just maybe....... but im sure jenson will get his own back somewhere along the line

[spankyham]

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And for the record, I think all these penalties for going off track are rubbish. If we want to improve overtakes and excitement then who cares about going off track - just make the circuit punish the driver/car. Lots more kitty-litter and well positioned kerbs will do the trick.

This I agree with

If the penalty for Jenson was rubbish, then I don't see why Jenson had to waste so many laps behind Massa...he could've used that escape road the moment he caught up and ran away.

I really do believe the rule that lead to Button's penalty is rubbish. Let the drivers race! If it wasn't illegal then all cars would be going wide there, because that would be the faster line. If the authorities that be don't want the cars to go out there, put in kitty-litter, grass or kerbing to prevent it - simple. That's what I mean by letting the track control where cars do and don't go, instead of having rules and people to interpret them so we have to deal with the ridiculous inconsistencies.

[Hammer278]

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And for the record, I think all these penalties for going off track are rubbish. If we want to improve overtakes and excitement then who cares about going off track - just make the circuit punish the driver/car. Lots more kitty-litter and well positioned kerbs will do the trick.

This I agree with

If the penalty for Jenson was rubbish, then I don't see why Jenson had to waste so many laps behind Massa...he could've used that escape road the moment he caught up and ran away.

I really do believe the rule that lead to Button's penalty is rubbish. Let the drivers race! If it wasn't illegal then all cars would be going wide there, because that would be the faster line. If the authorities that be don't want the cars to go out there, put in kitty-litter, grass or kerbing to prevent it - simple. That's what I mean by letting the track control where cars do and don't go, instead of having rules and people to interpret them so we have to deal with the ridiculous inconsistencies.

If you mean it that way, 100% agree. I thought you were saying there was nothing wrong with what JB did!

[carmonwebber]

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And for the record, I think all these penalties for going off track are rubbish. If we want to improve overtakes and excitement then who cares about going off track - just make the circuit punish the driver/car. Lots more kitty-litter and well positioned kerbs will do the trick.

This I agree with

If the penalty for Jenson was rubbish, then I don't see why Jenson had to waste so many laps behind Massa...he could've used that escape road the moment he caught up and ran away.

I really do believe the rule that lead to Button's penalty is rubbish. Let the drivers race! If it wasn't illegal then all cars would be going wide there, because that would be the faster line. If the authorities that be don't want the cars to go out there, put in kitty-litter, grass or kerbing to prevent it - simple. That's what I mean by letting the track control where cars do and don't go, instead of having rules and people to interpret them so we have to deal with the ridiculous inconsistencies.

There has been abit of talk about giving the drivers too much allowance for mistakes these days, but then again from a spectators pov, its abit of a bummer when your fav star gets stuck in the sand (or breaks a suspension arm) because of a small error, which in turn might turn some people away from the sport (because its too easy to get a DNF). Throwing in the penalties and rules mixes it up a little and gives it abit of excitement and alows more drivers to stay in the race.

I'm not supporting it, rather can see why they're not making the sport too "pure racing". It makes us question, it makes us peeved and it sometimes results in an outcome that isn't always fair, but it gives the sport a kick i reckon. I've never looked forward to F1 seasons as much as I have recently and it probably comes down to Bernie's drive for viewer-numbers.