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[CookinFlat6]

Lets just take YOUR word that you had a point and that it was missed

[CookinFlat6]

Let's define the point here
Lewis is at an F1 team primarily to do what?
Work on his father figure relationship?
Make friends?
Be loved?
Discover his deeper inner self?
Grow up and be a man?
WIN WDCs?

If he leaves a team for any other reason other than it no longer matches his primary aims would he be

Immature?
Misguided?
Confused?
Not in charge of his own destiny?
A complex intelligent person?



Let's not make out he is so weak mentally that some secret inner desires were not suppressed in the interests of his primary aim. As long as his primary aim was achievable he stays, soon as they are not he leaves
He put up with all sorts of shenanigans and problems without comment whilst his fans were screaming blue murder. Finally enough is enough and he leaves and we are told it's some hidden reason?

'oh Lewis is not there to win in F1, he is more deep than that'

[What's Burning?]

Why is it that these discussion don't occur about other drivers? (at least on this forum)

[LRW]

Becoz no-one is as cool as Hamilton. lolz.

[CookinFlat6]

Because WB, to a lot of people in this world of ours he is different. Kimi swears and it's ok, F1 drivers swear. Lewis swears and the posse are assembled, the rope collected, the tree chosen

[1Lemon]

Because WB, to a lot of people in this world of ours he is different. Kimi swears and it's ok, F1 drivers swear. Lewis swears and the posse are assembled, the rope collected, the tree chosen

Or maybe the moment anyone says anything that is vaugley negative, that's mildly related to Hamilton, the Lewis fans all jump en-masse immediately on the person who said that, and we end up with people defending Hamilton from every tiny little insignificant thing, rather than the other way around; and rather than the tree being chosen by the 'posse', the fans can't see the wood for the trees.

[CookinFlat6]

So lets get this right, you are now complaining on the Lewis thread that his fans jump on negative but wrong facts about him. And that doesnt allow other fans to have discussions?

And on the Button thread you are jumping on negative but true facts about Button and complaining that fans are not allowed to have discussions?

And you are yet to initiate a meaningful discussion on either thread?

makes sense

[1Lemon]

So lets get this right, you are now complaining on the Lewis thread that his fans jump on negative but wrong facts about him. And that doesnt allow other fans to have discussions?

And on the Button thread you are jumping on negative but true facts about Button and complaining that fans are not allowed to have discussions?

Can you not see the irony that it's the same Hamilton fans who jump on anyone who says something slightly negative, saying much much worse against Button, then all jumping on people for pointing that out.

[What's Burning?]

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[Hammer278]

So lets get this right, you are now complaining on the Lewis thread that his fans jump on negative but wrong facts about him. And that doesnt allow other fans to have discussions?

And on the Button thread you are jumping on negative but true facts about Button and complaining that fans are not allowed to have discussions?

And you are yet to initiate a meaningful discussion on either thread?

makes sense

[Hammer278]

So you are saying that he felt he was wasting his good years at McLaren, and was unlikely to win another WDC the way things were, yet didnt leave because of that and waited till he had some other complex reason unrelated to a will to win WDCs and be at a team not screwing his chances?

Its always Lewis' fault afterall

I am saying simple minds see simple solutions. Lewis is anything but simple, he is intelligent, creative and sensitive. If you think it was only about winning, you are selling him short. Btw time for you to get over that "always Lewis' fault crap. If you can't recognize that Lewis has faults like everyone and support him anyway, then I feel sorry for you.

It's ironic that you think Lewis fans here won't know what he's thinking, but somehow it seems you're quite aware there's a more 'deeper meaning' behind all his actions. These guys are in the sport to race and win and prove to themselves and the rest that they're the best out there, competition is their primary driver. No one's in it for deeper meanings, or to attain inner peace or whatever, they've been hardwired since toddlers to take on competition and WIN.

Lewis' moves and motivations are clear, and he's not the kind who minces words. It doesn't take a genius to understand his motivation in moving from McLaren to Mercedes; simply the fact that there's a better chance to win at this team than the last. There will no doubt, be other factors (maybe the food at the MTC sucks) but we don't care about those little things now do we.

[What's Burning?]

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It bears repeating, watch video again, there's not doubt. The last line uttered by Lewis, "Desperate to win".

[racechick]

Last to first. Magic! Bit like that Turkey 2006 drive in GP2 . Magic. Lewis at his best, racing cars not nursing them .

[CookinFlat6]

So lets get this right, you are now complaining on the Lewis thread that his fans jump on negative but wrong facts about him. And that doesnt allow other fans to have discussions?

And on the Button thread you are jumping on negative but true facts about Button and complaining that fans are not allowed to have discussions?

Can you not see the irony that it's the same Hamilton fans who jump on anyone who says something slightly negative, saying much much worse against Button, then all jumping on people for pointing that out.

I dont think you get it at all. I dont think you understand that a discussion forum is not about people discussing only what makes you happy.
Read what you just posted, you talk about irony of the same fans who do this and do that, changing your original complaint about people being negative full stop
Let me try to explain as best as I can;
People can say negative things about drivers as long as they are true and not imagined, if not true then it can and will be challenged. Thats how a debate or discussion works
People say negative things about Button that can be backed up or that shown with facts not to just be made up - You are welcome to challenge these things and show they are wrong instead of just moan
People say negative things about Lewis, if wrong or just an opinion based on errors, wishful thinking or without factual foundation, these will also be challenged
The fact is that you cannot point to even 1 incident where Lewis fans jump on a wrong negative because they dont exist. You also cannot point to a negative statement about Button and show it to be wrong, and in your frustration we have to listen to you bitch and moan instead of contribute anything meaningful or factual, negative or positive that we can say 'yup you are right about Lewis' or 'yup you are right about Button'
Please post some examples of negative Button facts that you would like to challenge then we can get down to some discussion
In the meantime here is a typical dumb and factually wrong statement that was jumped upon

[CookinFlat6]

Lewis' moves and motivations are clear, and he's not the kind who minces words. It doesn't take a genius to understand his motivation in moving from McLaren to Mercedes; simply the fact that there's a better chance to win at this team than the last. There will no doubt, be other factors (maybe the food at the MTC sucks) but we don't care about those little things now do we.

What I dont get is that Lewis says he moved because he wants to progress and improve his success. We all saw how he put in the effort and got no reward in his last year. We all saw his prospects improve by his move. He tells us he didnt think he could win anything at the team AS IT WAS

Yet we have to accept now that he was lying, and that he moved for hidden secret reasons and that he is a deep intelligent guy who just happened to get lucky by moving for hidden emotional reasons from a weak team to a strong one.
But to suggest he moved to be at a stronger team is to think him simple

He moved because he was not getting what he wanted at the team. What he wanted? no proof its more love or a happy bubble or father figure blah blah. what he wanted was a place he could realise his potential. Its obvious McLaren were a basket case with some of the stuff the loser TP got up to. However this will be just one of the various things that led him to conclude he was better off somewhere else

And yet we have to believe he moved for some hidden secret complex intelligent reason and that he is not simple enough to just want the best for himself - his career the way he wants it

fricken unbelievable