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By texasmr2
#201809
Why is this argument still going on?

Do you want the truth or should I offer a polished opinion :hehe: ???


Polished is always best. We don't want it locked now :hehe:

My best polished comment on this subject is "No comment"!! :rofl:
By What's Burning?
#201811
Why is this argument still going on?

Do you want the truth or should I offer a polished opinion :hehe: ???


Polished is always best. We don't want it locked now :hehe:


I think it's a healthy discussion. It's why we call ourselves F1 fans and not F1 casual observers!
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By Matkins
#201812
Jenson in his unsportsmanship way thought he would have a quick pop and overtook Lewis.


Jenson's overtake on Hamilton was the most sportsman thing he could have done. Because in sport one tries to win.

Jenson is not in the same league as Lewis or the Alonso's of this world.


He is, it's called F1, but in racing these things tend to get called series rather than leagues.

If you think Button's "tyre tricks" aren't enough to win the tittle then I think you're naive. Watch pre-refueling races in the early 90s. Jenson's style (or tricks and luck as you call it) is totally suited to this kind of racing. Hamilton's style (whilst my favorite kind of style) is actually more suited to GP2 sprint races than the current F1. Despite this though he's still my favorite racer, and I'm very glad that he finally got his maiden win of the season. I just don't understand the Jenson bashing, because you're just going to feel silly as he consistently proves to be a worthy adversary (especially compared to Kovelainen).
By Gaz
#201854
he is a worthy advisary, hes beaten Lewis on stratgy a few times granted Lewis had some bad luck but so did Jenson in Monaco.

Hes doing better than Alonso did against Lewis in 2007 around this time however.
By Bulletproof
#201912
I've enjoyed the fight between the two so far this year. Jens has not been swept aside like some predicted, but Lewis is still a fine racing driver as Jens is.

To comment on the tussle they had in Turkey, I think the move Jens made on Lewis was excellent if a little opportunist, however when Lewis saw the red mist and banzaid him back into turn one Jens had the experience and maturity to let him through rather than crash out. So it's a case of a young fiery (and talented) driver verses an experienced, mature and smooth one, great combination for the team and one I am enjoying watching.


Let's be honest shall we, i know you have tried to make it seem you are non bias but it's clear you are.

Jenson could not catch Lewis, the only reason he was able to overtake Lewis is because of the conserve fuel command that was given to "both" drivers. Because of this Lewis slowed down and was not flat out, Jenson in his unsportsmanship way thought he would have a quick pop and overtook Lewis. Now you say that Lewis "saw red" and because Jenson is mature he "let" Lewis over take him?

See, this is where your bias shows, Jenson could not stop Lewis overtaking him, he had no answer when Lewis came back at him, saying that Jenson "let" Lewis overtake him shows your little bit of Bias.

Now, let's talk about Jenson, he has not performed that well since the Asia circuits where the rain and the crafty smart tyre moves helped him win, so i say that, unless it rains Jenson really is not saying anything.

Let's go down the if road shall we, if Lewis would not of had that puncher he would be 14 points clear of Jenson and leading the championship now, but he isn't so that's how it goes. Jenson is not in the same league as Lewis or the Alonso's of this world.

Unless something goes wrong, Lewis will be in front of Jenson after Canada unless it rains then Jenson can use the tyre trick to win the race. What if the Tyre trick would not of worked, Jenson would be near the bottom of the leader board. I said it then that Jenson can't rely on rain and tyre tricks to win him the championship. :yikes:



Ok so I am a huge Jenson fan and always will be, and yes a bias towards Jenson, as a big fan, is a perfectly normal thing to have. As your love for Lewis is, but it would be nice to keep things gentlemanly in our debate.

One point about the fuel thing, Jenson was told to be wary of fuel consumption from as early as lap 20, so the fact he overtook Lewis on lap 40 odd and did not have Lewis's radio feed, thus not knowing what instructions Lewis was receiving, diminishes the argument that Jens was unsportsmanlike, he was just racing.

As for the rest of your post about Lewis's superiority, I don't deny he's a great racing driver but IMO so is Jenson. They both have very different styles. And thus far (even with both of them having a DNF due to car faults) Jenson style and experience is leading Lewis. Theres a while to go in the season yet and it's a close fight will be interesting to see where we are come the end of the season.
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By cap-dude
#201913
I'm not sure if this has been posted, but its MASSIVE!!!!!

I'm shocked that the news sites haven't even picked up on this piece of radio chatter yet. Anyway, Lewis was told to back off by the team, and at that time he actually asked the team "if I back off will Jenson try to pass me" to which McLaren said "no"

So Lewis did slow down thinking Jenson had been told not to pass him. But Jenson comes flying around the outside. It's featured on the offical F1 site in their highlights video of turkey towards the end.
http://www.formula1.com/video/?inptC=Tu ... ace%20Edit

If anyone wanted the absoulte truth as to why Lewis was slighty down after the race there it is.
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By EwanM
#201917
Yeah I heard about that. Explains why Hamilton also made a point to put the hammer down again once he had fought off his team-mate.
By Gaz
#201920
Love hearing Lewis' radio.

"guys if i back of, is Jenson going to pass me or not"

- "no"

hahaha
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By racechick
#201931
But he sorted it. On track and off! No whinging afterwards, just understandably a little down. Compare this to Vettel. Who's the spoilt brat????
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By Jabberwocky
#201935
But he sorted it. On track and off! No whinging afterwards, just understandably a little down. Compare this to Vettel. Who's the spoilt brat????


your right there, he even had the sense to look for a video camera before the podium when chatting about it.
By The Ram
#201942
Ah this thread is open again.

Why do most of the Jenson fans say that "Jenson gave back lewis the position?" LOL Jenson did not give Lewis a millimeter! Lewis had the slip stream and had to pry Jenson's fist away from turn 1.

It's right on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e87FQtd8Xo

No Space given by Jenson (the cars even hit!).. So I don't want to hear any more lies of Jenson giving up the spot. :nono:

The friendly formalities are over Lewis fans. We have to watch our back with the shady actions of Jenson and Whitmarsh. It's one man against the world now.. Forget Team Mclaren for Jenson and Whitmarsh have shown their true colours. I doubt Hamilton Will EVER, EVER turn down again... He must be so paranoid now.

Anyways... my take on the saving fuel; the fuel level was fine for Both drivers. Hamilton ran 1:30's till the end of the Race, while Button ran 1:31s. This could mean that Hamilton possibly had more fuel. This is not hard to believe considering that slipstreaming another car for the whole race reduces drag and reduces load on the engine. It may cost you more tyres though due to less downforce so more tyre slip, but The turkey track was good on the hard tyres this time so no issues from either driver. So in the end Button probably wouldn't have caught Hamilton in the first place.
By The Ram
#201943
I like how things are back to normal now but I am still not Happy with the gap to Jenson. It is too small! 0.2 seconds in qualifying in NOT Enough! ehhe. Maybe the car is too easy to drive? Hopefully as the car gets faster and come to the difficult tracks Hamilton will increase the qualy gap to 0.3 seconds. I don't know about the race pace since the two drivers have never been in open air at the same time before.. But I suspect it is bigger than the qualy gap when the tyres are wearing down (damn these tyres are too strong! I want to see people struggling to stay on track! muchless pulling 3g's on "shot tyres")

Anywhoo I must say I have more respect for Jenson now.. I knew he was always a fast driver, especially his race pace; It's not as good as Hamilton's obviously but it's right up there. Even more impressive is his Nerves, NOTHING phases the guy! That is what I respect Button for, his nerves.
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By racechick
#201953
Thres an interesting bit about lewis and jenson on the Turksh Race report in Autosport.

".........In the next few seconds we saw the respective personalitioes of the two McLaren driversplay out on track. Button's move was a beauty, around the outside of 12, hanging on for the inside of 13, getting ahead there and then side- by-side ghrough the final turn. It was smart, thought-out and subtle. Lewis entered the straight to the left of Jenson intent on retaliating into Turn 1, standing on the brakes super-late, down the inside, wheels almost rubbing as they exited down the hill. A slice across the bows and the place was his again. Pure reactive balls-out instinct..."

You have to respect both guys-different skills. I prefer Lewis's style-makes the hairs on the back of your neck stand up when he pulls a really good move. I guess its like the prost Senns debate , some people like one, some the other. Its a no -brainer to me but each to his own.
By Gaz
#201959
Thres an interesting bit about lewis and jenson on the Turksh Race report in Autosport.

".........In the next few seconds we saw the respective personalitioes of the two McLaren driversplay out on track. Button's move was a beauty, around the outside of 12, hanging on for the inside of 13, getting ahead there and then side- by-side ghrough the final turn. It was smart, thought-out and subtle. Lewis entered the straight to the left of Jenson intent on retaliating into Turn 1, standing on the brakes super-late, down the inside, wheels almost rubbing as they exited down the hill. A slice across the bows and the place was his again. Pure reactive balls-out instinct..."

You have to respect both guys-different skills. I prefer Lewis's style-makes the hairs on the back of your neck stand up when he pulls a really good move. I guess its like the prost Senns debate , some people like one, some the other. Its a no -brainer to me but each to his own.



Yeh both were good overtakes in there own right.
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