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[Gilles 27]

The difference for me between the scenario of Senna potentially leaving McLaren in 1993 and Hamilton potentially leaving McLaren in 2009 is that Hamilton owes his entire career to McLaren (and to an extent Bridgestone) whereas Senna was expected to go where the pace was and McLaren were aware of this.

[Gaz]

The difference for me between the scenario of Senna potentially leaving McLaren in 1993 and Hamilton potentially leaving McLaren in 2009 is that Hamilton owes his entire career to McLaren (and to an extent Bridgestone) whereas Senna was expected to go where the pace was and McLaren were aware of this.

Your correct but and Mclarens money certainly helped.

But he has talet and would still of made it without them.

The fact is Mclaren is a business and they invested in Hamilton, and got a WDC out of it.

And would of got a WCC and WDC in 2007 if it wern't for a stratagy mistake in China and a Driver/Car Error in Brazil.

And they still get plently of sponsorship money from it.

In Summery what ever they paid in to Hamilton to get him there they have got it back.

You could argue that if they had got Pedro or Parfett and Alonso in for 2007 and kept hamilton as a test driver they would of a WDC and possibly a WCC and the same in 2008 from Hamilton or Alonso and no fine.

Hamilton has said "i'm happy where i am" although he was abit quiet regarding his contract and if he would stay for 5 years.

But i think its a case of him feeling abit let down by Mclaren because he did somthing they told him to do and he got called a liar which is partialy his fault for doing somthing he knew was wrong but its also the teams for suggesting such a stupid idea.

But out of all the other drivers in the F1 field today i'd perfer Hamilton over them in Mclaren even because hes one of the best and most consistant.

[Denthúl]

The difference for me between the scenario of Senna potentially leaving McLaren in 1993 and Hamilton potentially leaving McLaren in 2009 is that Hamilton owes his entire career to McLaren (and to an extent Bridgestone) whereas Senna was expected to go where the pace was and McLaren were aware of this.

Your correct but and Mclarens money certainly helped.

But he has talet and would still of made it without them.

The fact is Mclaren is a business and they invested in Hamilton, and got a WDC out of it.

And would of got a WCC and WDC in 2007 if it wern't for a stratagy mistake in China and a Driver/Car Error in Brazil.

And they still get plently of sponsorship money from it.

In Summery what ever they paid in to Hamilton to get him there they have got it back.

You could argue that if they had got Pedro or Parfett and Alonso in for 2007 and kept hamilton as a test driver they would of a WDC and possibly a WCC and the same in 2008 from Hamilton or Alonso and no fine.

Hamilton has said "i'm happy where i am" although he was abit quiet regarding his contract and if he would stay for 5 years.

But i think its a case of him feeling abit let down by Mclaren because he did somthing they told him to do and he got called a liar which is partialy his fault for doing somthing he knew was wrong but its also the teams for suggesting such a stupid idea.

But out of all the other drivers in the F1 field today i'd perfer Hamilton over them in Mclaren even because hes one of the best and most consistant.

One of the best? Yes. One of the most consistent? Not yet. He is still prone to making regular mistakes and last year in particular highlighted that. I think, without McLaren's help, he wouldn't have made it in to a front-running car in 2007 and probably would not be a world champion right now. Lewis does owe the team a lot.

[7UpJordan]

And Senna decided to try and leave McLaren after Honda broke news to him first that they were pulling out of F1 (Senna had established a great relationship with Honda). I still don't get why Ron didn't go for the Lamborghini V12 which was proven much-much-much-much better than the Pegeout V10 that they went for in the end, had they gone for the Lambo Senna might have been tempted to consider staying for 1994.

[racechick]

The difference for me between the scenario of Senna potentially leaving McLaren in 1993 and Hamilton potentially leaving McLaren in 2009 is that Hamilton owes his entire career to McLaren (and to an extent Bridgestone) whereas Senna was expected to go where the pace was and McLaren were aware of this.

Your correct but and Mclarens money certainly helped.

But he has talet and would still of made it without them.

The fact is Mclaren is a business and they invested in Hamilton, and got a WDC out of it.

And would of got a WCC and WDC in 2007 if it wern't for a stratagy mistake in China and a Driver/Car Error in Brazil.

And they still get plently of sponsorship money from it.

In Summery what ever they paid in to Hamilton to get him there they have got it back.

You could argue that if they had got Pedro or Parfett and Alonso in for 2007 and kept hamilton as a test driver they would of a WDC and possibly a WCC and the same in 2008 from Hamilton or Alonso and no fine.

Hamilton has said "i'm happy where i am" although he was abit quiet regarding his contract and if he would stay for 5 years.

But i think its a case of him feeling abit let down by Mclaren because he did somthing they told him to do and he got called a liar which is partialy his fault for doing somthing he knew was wrong but its also the teams for suggesting such a stupid idea.

But out of all the other drivers in the F1 field today i'd perfer Hamilton over them in Mclaren even because hes one of the best and most consistant.

One of the best? Yes. One of the most consistent? Not yet. He is still prone to making regular mistakes and last year in particular highlighted that. I think, without McLaren's help, he wouldn't have made it in to a front-running car in 2007 and probably would not be a world champion right now. Lewis does owe the team a lot.

On the other side of that coin. At any point in McLaren's sponsorhip of Hamilton, had he not come up with the goods he would have been dropped like a ton of bricks. Rosberg was. This is not a love in, its business. Both need the other as long as the other delivers.

[racechick]

And Senna decided to try and leave McLaren after Honda broke news to him first that they were pulling out of F1 (Senna had established a great relationship with Honda). I still don't get why Ron didn't go for the Lamborghini V12 which was proven much-much-much-much better than the Pegeout V10 that they went for in the end, had they gone for the Lambo Senna might have been tempted to consider staying for 1994.

Not quite the loyal 'Mclaren till I die' as some people make him out to\be then.No problem with that. He did the right thing, looked out for his best deal.

[Gaz]

The difference for me between the scenario of Senna potentially leaving McLaren in 1993 and Hamilton potentially leaving McLaren in 2009 is that Hamilton owes his entire career to McLaren (and to an extent Bridgestone) whereas Senna was expected to go where the pace was and McLaren were aware of this.

Your correct but and Mclarens money certainly helped.

But he has talet and would still of made it without them.

The fact is Mclaren is a business and they invested in Hamilton, and got a WDC out of it.

And would of got a WCC and WDC in 2007 if it wern't for a stratagy mistake in China and a Driver/Car Error in Brazil.

And they still get plently of sponsorship money from it.

In Summery what ever they paid in to Hamilton to get him there they have got it back.

You could argue that if they had got Pedro or Parfett and Alonso in for 2007 and kept hamilton as a test driver they would of a WDC and possibly a WCC and the same in 2008 from Hamilton or Alonso and no fine.

Hamilton has said "i'm happy where i am" although he was abit quiet regarding his contract and if he would stay for 5 years.

But i think its a case of him feeling abit let down by Mclaren because he did somthing they told him to do and he got called a liar which is partialy his fault for doing somthing he knew was wrong but its also the teams for suggesting such a stupid idea.

But out of all the other drivers in the F1 field today i'd perfer Hamilton over them in Mclaren even because hes one of the best and most consistant.

One of the best? Yes. One of the most consistent? Not yet. He is still prone to making regular mistakes and last year in particular highlighted that. I think, without McLaren's help, he wouldn't have made it in to a front-running car in 2007 and probably would not be a world champion right now. Lewis does owe the team a lot.

No i think he had alot of pressure in 08 and it got to him. But now he is World Champ i think if the mclaren was as good as the brawn we'd see the hamilton for 2007.

As for 2007 like i said if they kept hamilton as a test driver for two years and put him into a Force India this year they would of prob got 2x WDC's out of Alonso and perhaps a WDC

But it didn't because hamilton was as fast if not faster in 2007 in testing than Alonso so he earned his seat.

[billindenver]

But out of all the other drivers in the F1 field today i'd perfer Hamilton over them in Mclaren even because hes one of the best and most consistant.

I would love to hear how you come up with 'most consistent'. If anything his inconsistency has cost McLaren one WDC and nearly cost them the second one. Everyone has to admit that on occasion Hamilton has pulled off some very nice drives, but for every one of those there has certainly been a time when he screwed the proverbial pooch. 2007 he was winning the championship by 17 points with 2 races left....all he really needed to do was get 3 points in two races and he had it in the bag.....but he pooched both races. What I never saw back then was his team call a press conference and tell the press that they were sorry that their driver made them look bad and that they were considering their options as far as breaking their contract....as he is currently doing to them. 2008 was equally filled with hamilton mistakes. He threw away the last race of the season where only a fluke last corner pass could get the team their WDC. He rear ended a car in pit lane ending that race and another by rear ending a car on a straightaway. Consistency is not his strong suit.

[Gaz]

But out of all the other drivers in the F1 field today i'd perfer Hamilton over them in Mclaren even because hes one of the best and most consistant.

I would love to hear how you come up with 'most consistent'. If anything his inconsistency has cost McLaren one WDC and nearly cost them the second one. Everyone has to admit that on occasion Hamilton has pulled off some very nice drives, but for every one of those there has certainly been a time when he screwed the proverbial pooch. 2007 he was winning the championship by 17 points with 2 races left....all he really needed to do was get 3 points in two races and he had it in the bag.....but he pooched both races. What I never saw back then was his team call a press conference and tell the press that they were sorry that their driver made them look bad and that they were considering their options as far as breaking their contract....as he is currently doing to them. 2008 was equally filled with hamilton mistakes. He threw away the last race of the season where only a fluke last corner pass could get the team their WDC. He rear ended a car in pit lane ending that race and another by rear ending a car on a straightaway. Consistency is not his strong suit.

China was hardly his fault it was a bad stratagy call by the teama and Brazil was a car fault that and perhaps again bad stratagy (3stopping) that cost him the championship

His consistancy in 2007 was amazing.

2008 Was abit messy but he would of won by a better margin if the FIA wasn't as against him so much.

I can reel off the examples of this if you want but i think it will get boring.

The last corner pass a fluke?! god your dislike for Hamilton is blinding you to fact my freind, it was sound safe stratagy call simple as that.

2008 - Bahrain and Canada were Lost of Points driver error mistakes. Japan was made worse by the FIA getting over invovled.

Other than that it wasn't a bad season compared to Massa's ability to be s*** for 2 races and spin or be s*** everytime it was wet who was only saved being beaten 1 or 2 races before the end by the FIA

[McLaren Fan]

I would love to hear how you come up with 'most consistent'. If anything his inconsistency has cost McLaren one WDC and nearly cost them the second one. Everyone has to admit that on occasion Hamilton has pulled off some very nice drives, but for every one of those there has certainly been a time when he screwed the proverbial pooch. 2007 he was winning the championship by 17 points with 2 races left....all he really needed to do was get 3 points in two races and he had it in the bag.....but he pooched both races. What I never saw back then was his team call a press conference and tell the press that they were sorry that their driver made them look bad and that they were considering their options as far as breaking their contract....as he is currently doing to them. 2008 was equally filled with hamilton mistakes. He threw away the last race of the season where only a fluke last corner pass could get the team their WDC. He rear ended a car in pit lane ending that race and another by rear ending a car on a straightaway. Consistency is not his strong suit.

True. Some of Hamilton's mistakes are up there with the most shocking gaffes in sporting history. When McLaren's drivers screw up, the team always take the blame on themselves when they have no need to do so.

Not quite the loyal 'Mclaren till I die' as some people make him out to\be then.No problem with that. He did the right thing, looked out for his best deal.

People have only claimed Senna was loyal to McLaren in your mind.

And Senna decided to try and leave McLaren after Honda broke news to him first that they were pulling out of F1 (Senna had established a great relationship with Honda). I still don't get why Ron didn't go for the Lamborghini V12 which was proven much-much-much-much better than the Pegeout V10 that they went for in the end, had they gone for the Lambo Senna might have been tempted to consider staying for 1994.

I think Dennis was looking for a long-term engine supplier. Peugeot looked a better proposition in this area. Perhaps the biggest mistake came before that, when he didn't take up Renault's offer. They were happy to supply McLaren engines, but Elf, Renault's partner, insisted McLaren use their fuel. Dennis didn't want to break his contract with Shell, so the deal fell through.

In terms of Hamilton's career, it rather sickens me that some people are seriously trying to contend he owes McLaren nothing. Hamilton Senior was struggling to afford his son's racing working two jobs, so after he was made redundant he would never have been able to. If it weren't for McLaren, the Hamiltons would be empting people's bins on weekdays.

[Gaz]

In terms of Hamilton's career, it rather sickens me that some people are seriously trying to contend he owes McLaren nothing. Hamilton Senior was struggling to afford his son's racing working two jobs, so after he was made redundant he would never have been able to. If it weren't for McLaren, the Hamiltons would be empting people's bins on weekdays.

Bit over the top with that dont know why you dislike the driver that just won Mclaren the WDC i mean we could of had two Hekki's and wouldn't that be great.

Mclaren got Lewis where he is now and faster than any other route but like is i said it was an investment and they would of dropped it like they dropped Westley Graves

[McLaren Fan]

McLaren won the drivers' title last year in spite of Hamilton, not because of him. In 2007, Hamilton lost the team the drivers' title.

[Gaz]

McLaren won the drivers' title last year in spite of Hamilton, not because of him. In 2007, Hamilton lost the team the drivers' title.

IN 2008 Hamilton made fewer mistakes than other drivers and was fantastic in the wet especialy silverstone.

In 2007 Hamilton lost the driver title because of China and Brazil.

China he was kept out too long so it was a bad stratagy call and In Brazil the Car had a malfunction and the team kept on a 3 stop stratergy

[McLaren Fan]

In the 2007 Chinese Grand Prix, Hamilton dived in the pits going too quickly, failing to appreciate the pit lane is wetter than the track. A rookie error if there ever was one.

Two weeks later, he half-botched his chances with more red mist in the very first lap. I don't buy for a second that his car malfunctioned a little late in the race. It seems to me like another example of McLaren covering up for their drivers' screw ups.

And I am supposed to be grateful for Hamilton making less mistakes than some of the others in 2008? The fact is Hamilton was too inconsistent and nearly blew another title.

[Frosty]

McLaren won the drivers' title last year in spite of Hamilton, not because of him. In 2007, Hamilton lost the team the drivers' title.

Hamilton did loose the title in 07 but he was a rookie and under pressure but you have also got to say that the 2 time world Champion Alonso didn't win it either and I will fully admit that Alonso is a bloody good driver especially when it comes to the technical side of things. In 2008 he won the WDC couldn't really ask for much more than that IMO. Most of all at the moment he is performing on the track so I have no problems there off the track he messed up in Melbourne but that was 50/50 half Lewis's fault and half the Teams fault.