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[mnmracer]

Webber was not willing to comply. He did in the end, but again he showed to be a very poor team player.

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And there lies one of the problems here, he did move, that's a mature thing to do, even though he did delay him; you can't expect someone to just drive straight off the track. However I struggle to think that Vettle would do any differently.

Really? You want to gloat about one disputable situation, and ignore all the other situations where Webber did take endangering action?

[1Lemon]

Webber was not willing to comply. He did in the end, but again he showed to be a very poor team player.

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And there lies one of the problems here, he did move, that's a mature thing to do, even though he did delay him; you can't expect someone to just drive straight off the track. However I struggle to think that Vettle would do any differently.

Really? You want to gloat about one disputable situation, and ignore all the other situations where Webber did take endangering action?

You take one at a time, you can't look at all of them with a single view, you have to take into account the individual situations at each occurrence they were not all identical. Now I'm not saying Webber was not at fault in any of the situations, but last week was a case of cocky Vettle!

[andrew]

This is boring now. Can you lot just agree to disagree.

I'm sure there are rules about repetitive drivel on this forum.....?

How dare you come on here and be sensible!

[mnmracer]

Now I'm not saying Webber was not at fault in any of the situations, but last week was a case of cocky Vettle!

So what exactly are we discussing then?

Can you agree with me that:

• it is hypocritical of fans and media that were condoning -or even not condemning- Webber's behavior, to condemn Vettel's behavior now
• the amount of drama created over this incident is disproportional in comparison to the (lack of) drama suggesting Webber's 'incidents'
• the signal Red Bull is giving Vettel with having part in this drama, is that Webber is allowed to get away with things their 3xWDC is not
• Webber has no 'broken trust' to speak of, considering he has shown himself not to be trustworthy as a team mate
• Red Bull taking action against Vettel while they let Webber get away with it, would be hypocritical

[myownalias]

Now I'm not saying Webber was not at fault in any of the situations, but last week was a case of cocky Vettle!

So what exactly are we discussing then?

Can you agree with me that:

• it is hypocritical of fans and media that were condoning -or even not condemning- Webber's behavior, to condemn Vettel's behavior now
• the amount of drama created over this incident is disproportional in comparison to the (lack of) drama suggesting Webber's 'incidents'
• the signal Red Bull is giving Vettel with having part in this drama, is that Webber is allowed to get away with things their 3xWDC is not
• Webber has no 'broken trust' to speak of, considering he has shown himself not to be trustworthy as a team mate
• Red Bull taking action against Vettel while they let Webber get away with it, would be hypocritical

I believe it comes down to the public way that it played out over the team radio, and Vettel's half hearted apology after the race, claiming he accidentally overtook Webber. I don't really remember the incident in Interlagos 2012, not saying it didn't happen, but I don't remember it, Silverstone 2011 I do remember, but Mark didn't actually make a passing attempt from what I remember, yes he was on the gearbox of Sebastian but didn't attempt to pass!

[LRW]

This is boring now. Can you lot just agree to disagree.

I'm sure there are rules about repetitive drivel on this forum.....?

How dare you come on here and be sensible!

I know. I shouldnt of bothered. They still seem to want to go round and round on the subject.

If only they were as sensible and as clever as us, eh?

So anyway. Vettel really should get a proper haircut, don't you think Andrew?

[andrew]

This is boring now. Can you lot just agree to disagree.

I'm sure there are rules about repetitive drivel on this forum.....?

How dare you come on here and be sensible!

I know. I shouldnt of bothered. They still seem to want to go round and round on the subject.

I'd only they were as sensible and as clever as us, eh?

So anyway. Vettel really should get a proper haircut, don't you think Andrew?

I think he'd suit dreadlocks or a Valentino Rossi style perm.

[1Lemon]

Now I'm not saying Webber was not at fault in any of the situations, but last week was a case of cocky Vettle!

So what exactly are we discussing then?

Can you agree with me that:

• it is hypocritical of fans and media that were condoning -or even not condemning- Webber's behavior, to condemn Vettel's behavior now
• the amount of drama created over this incident is disproportional in comparison to the (lack of) drama suggesting Webber's 'incidents'
• the signal Red Bull is giving Vettel with having part in this drama, is that Webber is allowed to get away with things their 3xWDC is not
• Webber has no 'broken trust' to speak of, considering he has shown himself not to be trustworthy as a team mate
• Red Bull taking action against Vettel while they let Webber get away with it, would be hypocritical

1) No it is not, they are different situations, however there are similarities and these must be clearly addressed which some fans and media seem to forget and just assume "TEAM ORDERS WERE IGNORED IT'S THE SAME!!!" when it isn't.
2) I remember quite a backlash from Istanbul, and yes while there is a large drama, more so than when webber has ignored team orders or been overly aggressive, but again as a case-by-case basis they are all different so perhaps it isn't out of proportion.
3)Not at all, a 3xWDC should know better than to ignore team orders and warnings that are repeated to him, and show some more maturity.
4)Are any team mates truly trustworthy in F1 considering it is a individual and team sport?
5)Again case-by-case basis. If someone nicks your proverbial ford fiesta, should they get more time than someone who nicks a ford fiesta but is aggressive (without breaking any extra laws)? They probably would get more time but on the face of it they did the same crime.

[LRW]

This is boring now. Can you lot just agree to disagree.

I'm sure there are rules about repetitive drivel on this forum.....?

How dare you come on here and be sensible!

I know. I shouldnt of bothered. They still seem to want to go round and round on the subject.

I'd only they were as sensible and as clever as us, eh?

So anyway. Vettel really should get a proper haircut, don't you think Andrew?

I think he'd suit dreadlocks or a Valentino Rossi style perm.

Are you mental.....? He needs a Mike Score haircut....

[andrew]

What about this?

[LRW]

What about this?

And we have a WINNER. And it won fairly and didn't disobey any team orders.

[1Lemon]

What about this?

And we have a WINNER. And it won fairly and didn't disobey any team orders.

Would he balance the helmet on his hair? Or is it an areodynamicist's nightmare?

[andrew]

What about this?

And we have a WINNER. And it won fairly and didn't disobey any team orders.

Would he balance the helmet on his hair? Or is it an areodynamicist's nightmare?

Cut a hole in the top of the helmet for the hair to poke through.

I suspect the effect would be similar to the VJM04.

[Hammer278]

We've almost surpassed the first race thread post count with this latest drivel of haircuts! Thanks for taking it from Webber/Vettel team orders to haircuts LRW, much more fitting for the race thread!

[1Lemon]

We've almost surpassed the first race thread post count with this latest drivel of haircuts! Thanks for taking it from Webber/Vettel team orders to haircuts LRW, much more fitting for the race thread!

Now the question is, what hairstyle would make Vettle listen to team orders?