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[racechick]

I find this talk of three wins since 'the tyre test' , not exactly looking at the facts correctly. At Silverstone, yes, Mercedes seamed to have found something, but one car blew its tyre and the other just averted a blow. Had they not just leant the trick of putting the tyres on the wrong way round?
Monaco, not tyre dependent, slow and twisty. And Lewis always goes well there, so did Merc last year.
And Lewis' win at Hungary completely different tyres.

[operaman]

Luca needs to own up to fact that he is at the top of the Ferrari pyramid, and as such is ultimately responsible for the Scuderia's success or failure. With a budget like Ferrari's the team should be winning more. Blaming drivers, the FIA, or giving the yearly speech about 3 car teams is not accomplishing anything.

[andrew]

I think we just all need to accept that Mercedes have clearly not benefitted in any way shape or form from their illegal tyre test. So we can all just let it drop.

[racechick]

Well I think since Luca keeps bringing the topic up, clearly he doesn't want the topic to be dropped and so it gets discussed. In view of Luca's comments James Allen analyses Mercedes' performance over the last few races. I'll post the link to his analysis in the Mercedes thread as its more appropriate there.

[andrew]

It was bound to happen if Mercedes had an upturn in performance. Despite them not benefiting from an illegal tyre test which they clearly didn't benefit from there will always be suspicion especially around wins despite them not benefitting in any way whatsoever. But we'll see what happens at a real track. Monaco and Budapest are anomolies in that they are slow and twisty. Spa and Monza will be a better test, even though Mercedes have not benefitted.

[What's Burning?]

Clearly they haven't benefited because they're not in first place in both championship races.

[CookinFlat6]

Clearly they haven't benefited because they're not in first place in both championship races.

Yup, whatever benefit (that was penalised heavily by playing the new tyre lottery without testing) if any ( ) was gained is all relative. Mercs improvement (or not ) could be down to many factors.
Whats important for all F1 fans and the other teams should be, justice was served by the tribunal, the other teams got their own test .

The unfortunate mistake caused by Merc, FIA and Pirelli is history. Any attempts to correlate Mercedes challenging for or winning the WDC and/or WCC with the penalised accidental test will be recorded and saved for posterity as sour grapes of the first order.

Just like the Red Bull flapping wings that the FIA were not smart enough to outlaw, just like the starter motor hole /DD the FIA had not anticipated or legislated for, stuff happens in F1

Montezemolo reminds me of a couple of posters on here, the rules and its limits are clear to all, and its only when one has been soundly whipped within the rules that the calls come in to apply a new morality clause to the statute. 'My fav driver/team has been ridiculed within the rules of the forum, ooh lets introduce a new morality clause that limits the number of times they can be ridiculed or the intensity of the ridicule'

So Montezemolo is now talking about 'drinks companies', 'making cars', and a 'weakening of the FIA's reputation'

oooh 'they have gone beyond the limit that we all push, so they have gone into immorality territory and we are holier than them'

No wonder Ferrari, despite their resources have floundered since the Todt/Brawm/MS days. They are back to the old inefficient corrupt system and ways of bribery, influence, nepotism and spaghetti management.

[sagi58]

But better suited to one another can is is more likely completely coincidental, rather than some insidious plan. The finalized tires used in Hungary weren't even a glimmer in Pirelli's eye when the tire test was done by Mercedes...

I wasn't suggesting it was an "insidious" plan; however, I don't buy the "oh, it just kinda worked out" either!
That is, I don't buy that Pirelli didn't already have some possible solutions in the works, considering what a
mess the tires were up until that point.
As for your comments on di Montezemolo, I've said enough about him and his silence until now.

Mind, if I were to believe that Barcelona had nothing to do with Mercedes' recent form and that it's all about hard work and development over time, I would then argue that Schumi be given all due credit for having developed the car over the last three years!!

Or the six months Lewis has been around telling Mercedes which end is up. [/quote]

I guess he was holding out on McLaren all this time?

[sagi58]

He wouldn't have said anything were Mercedes two spots behind Ferrari in the WCC.

Not publicly; but, behind closed doors, I'm sure he'd have been quite vocal.
I know I would, if I were in his shoes!! Wouldn't you??

[sagi58]

No wonder Ferrari, despite their resources have floundered since the Todt/Brawm/MS days. They are back to the old inefficient corrupt system and ways of bribery, influence, nepotism and spaghetti management.

To each his own, eh?

[What's Burning?]

Or the six months Lewis has been around telling Mercedes which end is up.

I guess he was holding out on McLaren all this time?

I knew you'd like that one.

[CookinFlat6]

No wonder Ferrari, despite their resources have floundered since the Todt/Brawm/MS days. They are back to the old inefficient corrupt system and ways of bribery, influence, nepotism and spaghetti management.

To each his own, eh?

For the Tifosis sake I hope he realises that soon and directs his energy at his team, instead of playing the poor victim (with special FIA status) that is uncompetitive because of the FIA treating another team fairly.

Maybe if he had replaced Massa with a real driver and had someone pushing Alonso and providing more feedback. But no Massa can not be touched because his father owns the Ferrari concession in Brazil.

Effectively he is saying Ferrari cannot compete on level terms with drinks companies as he needs the old days of unlimited testing and FIA help

[racechick]

I'm gonna post the analysis of Mercedes last three races in this thread as well, since Luca started it and it seems the discussion is continuing here.
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2013/08/a ... ree-races/

[sagi58]

Or the six months Lewis has been around telling Mercedes which end is up.

I guess he was holding out on McLaren all this time?

I knew you'd like that one.

So... you set me up?? haha... and I fell for it!!
Will be keeping an eye on you!!

[sagi58]

I'm gonna post the analysis of Mercedes last three races in this thread as well, since Luca started it and it seems the discussion is continuing here.
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2013/08/a ... ree-races/

Grazie!! That was the article I referred to earlier...
thought I'd posted a link to it? Boh!