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By synsei
#292705
Your point about Channel 4 is interesting, did they wish for exclusivity or were they paying to share with the BBC? Presumably Bernie could've played hardball and told the BBC he wanted the extra money from cooperation with Channel 4 and not Sky.

I suppose debating the ethics of the BBC in this case (assuming that Channel 4 were prepare to pay more than Sky for the same deal that Sky and the BBC currently hold) will depend on how far the BBC are suppose to act as an independent competitive commercial company versus a nice altruistic public service broadcaster.


I have it on good authority from someone in the know that they were willing to share the races with the BBC, or they would have been just as happy to buy them out of the contract. What reeks about the deal is that Ben Gallop, who currently holds the position of Sports Editor with the BBC, has just been offered a job with SKY. Mark Thompson, when asked by The Culture, Media and Sport Committee why he hadn't at least picked up a phone to call CH4 and discuss any options with them, answered that he didn't feel that he needed to. Mr Thompson, who will also be leaving the BBC soon, is rumoured to have been offered a position at SKY too. If this is true then there needs to be a comprehensive inquiry into the whole sorry affair. :nono:

Are the BBC really obliged to ensure that F1 remains free to air with Channel 4 even though it could negatively impact on themselves? Another point, I doubt Channel 4 wouldn't show adverts during the races.


This point is where it all gets a bit murky. Under the current Concorde agreement, as I understand it, some live races must be made available to FTA TV channels. I don't believe the agreement discriminates between whether a TV channel is a commercial or Public Service Broadcaster. It is entirely possible that the parties involved in the deal have used this discrepancy to their advantage. Bernie himself confirmed that the BBC could have legally retained the option to show re-runs of all the races in the 2012 season as they had already paid to broadcast the entire season live anyway. The BBC chose to give away this option to SKY as part of the deal. What has irked so many fans is that the BBC has claimed that there were public consultations held to discuss the deal before it was signed, which is patently untrue.
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By stonemonkey
#292708
If sky offered the channel on it's own I would consider it, more so if they offered it through cable in HD. I have a fairly basic cable package, don't watch much tv and have absolutely no interest in anything else sky has to offer. It would cost me £336 (on top of current cable charges and licence fee) to watch the 10 races in standard def. so as it is, I won't pay sky a penny and I will be watching the live races one way or another.
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By McLaren
#292709
If sky offered the channel on it's own I would consider it, more so if they offered it through cable in HD. I have a fairly basic cable package, don't watch much tv and have absolutely no interest in anything else sky has to offer. It would cost me £336 (on top of current cable charges and licence fee) to watch the 10 races in standard def. so as it is, I won't pay sky a penny and I will be watching the live races one way or another.


Can't you just but the HD package?.Think its only £10 a month..

edit : ah guess you have no dish up
By LRW
#292735
Sometimes I feel it's fashionable to hate Rupert Murdoch/News International/Sky.

He may be a businessman with no morals, but I bet the majority of people who slag him off left right and center, and refuse to "give a penny to Murdoch and Sky", line the pockets of plenty of other multinational companies, who carry out totally heinous crimes against humanity.

For the record, the Murdoch Family only own 29% of News International. News International only owns 39.1% of Sky.

I'm not saying I love Murdoch. Im not saying he isn't a shrewd business man with no morals.

I'm just saying a bit of perspective is needed.

I'm lucky enough to be able to afford to give Mr Murdoch £6 a month to pay for sky, as it shows the sport I love.

I'm happy to leave my nose where it is.
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By LapLegend
#292736
I'm afraid this is all down to the little troll Ecclestone! He sold the rights to Sky from under BBC. Now he's also threatening Melbourne that if they dont reschedule their race to a night race, then F1 will walk away in favour of a race that can offer a more euro friendly race time. I cant stand the little white haired oompa loompa. Someone needs to tell him his is NOT a deity :banghead:
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By stonemonkey
#292737
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I'm just saying a bit of perspective is needed.

I'm lucky enough to be able to afford to give Mr Murdoch £6 a month to pay for sky, as it shows the sport I love.

I'm happy to leave my nose where it is.


£6/m would be fine as I said I'd consider it if I could just get the channel on it's own but £28/m on top of what I already pay, no thanks.
By LRW
#292739
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I'm just saying a bit of perspective is needed.

I'm lucky enough to be able to afford to give Mr Murdoch £6 a month to pay for sky, as it shows the sport I love.

I'm happy to leave my nose where it is.


£6/m would be fine as I said I'd consider it if I could just get the channel on it's own but £28/m on top of what I already pay, no thanks.


£6 is Murdochs share of the £50 I spend a month for my TV and broadband.
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By synsei
#292742
Sometimes I feel it's fashionable to hate Rupert Murdoch/News International/Sky.

He may be a businessman with no morals, but I bet the majority of people who slag him off left right and center, and refuse to "give a penny to Murdoch and Sky", line the pockets of plenty of other multinational companies, who carry out totally heinous crimes against humanity.

For the record, the Murdoch Family only own 29% of News International. News International only owns 39.1% of Sky.

I'm not saying I love Murdoch. Im not saying he isn't a shrewd business man with no morals.

I'm just saying a bit of perspective is needed.

I'm lucky enough to be able to afford to give Mr Murdoch £6 a month to pay for sky, as it shows the sport I love.

I'm happy to leave my nose where it is.


If you are receiving SKY for £6 a month then I think you need to be sharing where you sourced such an unbelievable deal with any who might be interested. As for me I'd rather not line the pockets of a company which seems to think it is okay to hack into the mobile phone of a dead, teenage girl. :deadhorse:
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By stonemonkey
#292743
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I'm just saying a bit of perspective is needed.

I'm lucky enough to be able to afford to give Mr Murdoch £6 a month to pay for sky, as it shows the sport I love.

I'm happy to leave my nose where it is.


£6/m would be fine as I said I'd consider it if I could just get the channel on it's own but £28/m on top of what I already pay, no thanks.


£6 is Murdochs share of the £50 I spend a month for my TV and broadband.


So what have you been paying previous to the F1 channel?
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By LRW
#292745
Sometimes I feel it's fashionable to hate Rupert Murdoch/News International/Sky.

He may be a businessman with no morals, but I bet the majority of people who slag him off left right and center, and refuse to "give a penny to Murdoch and Sky", line the pockets of plenty of other multinational companies, who carry out totally heinous crimes against humanity.

For the record, the Murdoch Family only own 29% of News International. News International only owns 39.1% of Sky.

I'm not saying I love Murdoch. Im not saying he isn't a shrewd business man with no morals.

I'm just saying a bit of perspective is needed.

I'm lucky enough to be able to afford to give Mr Murdoch £6 a month to pay for sky, as it shows the sport I love.

I'm happy to leave my nose where it is.


If you are receiving SKY for £6 a month then I think you need to be sharing where you sourced such an unbelievable deal with any who might be interested. As for me I'd rather not line the pockets of a company which seems to think it is okay to hack into the mobile phone of a dead, teenage girl. :deadhorse:


Glad to see you read my full post and took in all the information.

So because of a few journalists with no morals whatsoever, you are going to miss out on some amazing F1 coverage.

£6 is only a % of what I pay. A % equal to Murdoch's ownership of sky.

Band, meet wagon. Jump on.
By LRW
#292746
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I'm just saying a bit of perspective is needed.

I'm lucky enough to be able to afford to give Mr Murdoch £6 a month to pay for sky, as it shows the sport I love.

I'm happy to leave my nose where it is.


£6/m would be fine as I said I'd consider it if I could just get the channel on it's own but £28/m on top of what I already pay, no thanks.


£6 is Murdochs share of the £50 I spend a month for my TV and broadband.


So what have you been paying previous to the F1 channel?


Same as I do now, as I had SkyHD. Before the details were announced I was considering upgrading to sports to get F1.
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By myownalias
#292747
I'm afraid this is all down to the little troll Ecclestone! He sold the rights to Sky from under BBC. Now he's also threatening Melbourne that if they dont reschedule their race to a night race, then F1 will walk away in favour of a race that can offer a more euro friendly race time. I cant stand the little white haired oompa loompa. Someone needs to tell him his is NOT a deity :banghead:

That's not at all true, the BBC approached Sky looking for a deal that would reduce the financial burden on themselves while still retaining F1 on the BBC, even if the live quota was halved!

As for the rest, Bernie does need a reality check, sadly there is no-one to check him, CVC (F1 owners) only care that more money rolls in, they're not interested in the sport aspect of F1!
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By stonemonkey
#292751
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I'm just saying a bit of perspective is needed.

I'm lucky enough to be able to afford to give Mr Murdoch £6 a month to pay for sky, as it shows the sport I love.

I'm happy to leave my nose where it is.


£6/m would be fine as I said I'd consider it if I could just get the channel on it's own but £28/m on top of what I already pay, no thanks.


£6 is Murdochs share of the £50 I spend a month for my TV and broadband.


So what have you been paying previous to the F1 channel?


Same as I do now, as I had SkyHD. Before the details were announced I was considering upgrading to sports to get F1.


What you were paying for previously is worth it to you and you make use of it, and if you have an interest in other sports then sure sky sports is worth it too, the thing is though that I have no interest in any other sky channels. I would have no objection to paying sky for the channel on it's own at a reasonable price but I'm not going to pay for it as part of a package with other channels I don't want.
By LRW
#292755
What you were paying for previously is worth it to you and you make use of it, and if you have an interest in other sports then sure sky sports is worth it too, the thing is though that I have no interest in any other sky channels. I would have no objection to paying sky for the channel on it's own at a reasonable price but I'm not going to pay for it as part of a package with other channels I don't want.


And that I wholeheartedly understand, and have no issues with.

Its the people that come on here, and claim to love F1, moan about not being able to see all races live, but refuse to get sky (not becasue of cost) but because of their hatred for Rupert Murdoch.

BUT, for an exqample, I bet at the same time if those same people sawsomeone by this audio CD here, they would see nothing wrong in buying it. But it is published by Caedmon. Caedmon are owned by.... Haper Collins Publishers..... who are subsidiary of ..... yes, you guessed it - News Corporation. But becasue its not so obvious, people would be fine with it.

I think people just need to think about their statements a bit more. Especially when it comes to getting on a soapbox, and banging on about how they will never give RM a penny..... especially when his grubby little fingers are in a LOT of pies.....

Oh, and I hope none of you have ever enjoyed an episode of The Simpsons.
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By synsei
#292766
What you were paying for previously is worth it to you and you make use of it, and if you have an interest in other sports then sure sky sports is worth it too, the thing is though that I have no interest in any other sky channels. I would have no objection to paying sky for the channel on it's own at a reasonable price but I'm not going to pay for it as part of a package with other channels I don't want.


And that I wholeheartedly understand, and have no issues with.

Its the people that come on here, and claim to love F1, moan about not being able to see all races live, but refuse to get sky (not becasue of cost) but because of their hatred for Rupert Murdoch.

BUT, for an exqample, I bet at the same time if those same people sawsomeone by this audio CD here, they would see nothing wrong in buying it. But it is published by Caedmon. Caedmon are owned by.... Haper Collins Publishers..... who are subsidiary of ..... yes, you guessed it - News Corporation. But becasue its not so obvious, people would be fine with it.

I think people just need to think about their statements a bit more. Especially when it comes to getting on a soapbox, and banging on about how they will never give RM a penny..... especially when his grubby little fingers are in a LOT of pies.....

Oh, and I hope none of you have ever enjoyed an episode of The Simpsons.


My views about Murdoch and his empire are valid LRW. If you are comfortable giving him your money that is your business, however I am not and that is my business. I do not understand why you are attempting to deflect the argument onto Murdoch anyway when it is Mark Thompson and the BBC which have behaved abysmally in this matter. It is an unfortunate consequence that SKY happen to be benefiting from this fiasco and they may yet be implicated if there's a thorough inquiry. I live in hope...

It strikes me that you are being just a little disingenuous...

p.s. And no, I don't watch The Simpsons, never have...
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